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Old July 9th, 2011, 07:54 PM   #23761
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What IS up with that scaffolding on the base? Is it the beginning of cladding operations on the base?
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Old July 9th, 2011, 08:05 PM   #23762
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Great jersey city pics in my opinion the best place to take pics in that area.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 09:39 PM   #23763
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Yup, they're awesome. NY is an awesome city. While it doesn't have that many supertalls, it has so many highrises that I doubt any city in the world has more of 'em.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 09:47 PM   #23764
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HongKong got more highrises
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Old July 9th, 2011, 09:54 PM   #23765
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- the CTBUH.

They compare and organize all tall structures on the height to arch. top. That way if a taller antenna or whatever is put up it doesn't change the ranking of the structure. Makes sense...
However...

If you go strictly by CTBUH guidelines then the tallest building in North America right now is the 2 floor entrance lobby of the CN Tower in Toronto. That's right... it's only 2 floors high....

It just happens to have an 1800 foot spire on top. The antenna is enclosed permanently and is just like the future 1WTC antenna and can not be added to or changed. It is part of the architectural feature of the spire... All 1800 feet of it.

When you take the CTBUH guidelines to the letter of their law and to their obvious conclusion... you see how arbitrary and ridiculous they are.


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Old July 9th, 2011, 10:40 PM   #23766
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Ken, Awesome pictures. You should keep posting even when Carlos is back because you have a different view. In fact you have a great one of WTC4 that Carlos doesn't have at all. Can you post zoom ins of that one so we see when steel and cladding is going up?
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Old July 9th, 2011, 10:43 PM   #23767
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"South to the Niagara Falls in the area of Rochester and New York (USA)"

OMG and I thought it was only Americans that didn't know geography :-)
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Old July 9th, 2011, 11:00 PM   #23768
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Wow, that city must be a true highrise hive.
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Old July 9th, 2011, 11:29 PM   #23769
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Is the freedom tower going to be taller than the CN tower: O

Anyone body got diagrams comparing them?

Also to the guy who thinks the freedom tower looks small to supertalls now.... No chance maybe the BK but not anything else.. Isn't it going to be 2nd or 3rd tallest in the world after it is built?
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"South to the Niagara Falls in the area of Rochester and New York (USA)"

OMG and I thought it was only Americans that didn't know geography :-)
They meant:

South to Niagara falls AND the area of Rochester NY USA and all the way North to lake Simcoe.


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no 1 wtc will be 39 feet shorter, then the cn tower.
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However...

If you go strictly by CTBUH guidelines then the tallest building in North America right now is the 2 floor entrance lobby of the CN Tower in Toronto. That's right... it's only 2 floors high....

It just happens to have an 1800 foot spire on top. The antenna is enclosed permanently and is just like the future 1WTC antenna and can not be added to or changed. It is part of the architectural feature of the spire... All 1800 feet of it.

When you take the CTBUH guidelines to the letter of their law and to their obvious conclusion... you see how arbitrary and ridiculous they are.
Hi Traynor.

Your post is completely incorrect ...

The council does not consider the CN tower a building ...
It is classified as a telecommunications / Observation tower.
Their guideline for a structure to be called a building is "at least 50% of its height is occupied by usable floor area".

You may want to read the 'Tall Building Height Critetia' area on the home page before you arbitrarily and ridiculously decide what their 'letter of the law' is ...

I really enjoy your posts Traynor, usually well worded with good points but I couldn't let that one go.


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Old July 9th, 2011, 11:54 PM   #23773
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Is the freedom tower going to be taller than the CN tower: O

Anyone body got diagrams comparing them?

Also to the guy who thinks the freedom tower looks small to supertalls now.... No chance maybe the BK but not anything else.. Isn't it going to be 2nd or 3rd tallest in the world after it is built?
Here's just the list of under construction towers in 2011. You be the judge how tall 1WTC looks compares to the others.

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=202
(Link to under construction Diagrams Page from SkyscraperPage)

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=201
(Link to Tallest Towers in 2015 Diagrams Page from SkyscraperPage)
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Hi Traynor.

Your post is completely incorrect ...

The council does not consider the CN tower a building ...
It is classified as a telecommunications / Observation tower.
Their guideline for a structure to be called a building is "at least 50% of its height is occupied by usable floor area".

You may want to read the 'Tall Building Height Critetia' area on the home page before you arbitrarily and ridiculously decide what their 'letter of the law' is ...

I really enjoy your posts Traynor, usually well worded with good points but I couldn't let that one go.


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Yes but 100 percent of the lobby entrance IS occupiable and that is the part that is the "Building". The Spire is the 1800 foot part on top.

That is the letter of the law on their page exactly. I have gone over it a thousand times.

It is just obviously so ridiculous that it shows the arbitrary nature of the lines that they draw. That is the only point I am trying to make.

It all boils down to a small group of people in an office somewhere making an opinion. Therefore... All of our own opinions are just as valid.




OK granted it is all just a silly interpretation of the rules, but almost all of the guidlines can be interpreted to bend to a developer's wishes to exagerate his building.
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Sorry for the change of subject but it stuck me that the cn tower never achieved the iconic status that the settle space needle has considering that the Seattle space is three times shorter then the cn tower which proves that size it not everything,and i bet that the freedom tower will be more iconic then the burj khalifa will be.
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Sorry for the change of subject but it stuck me that the cn tower never achieved the iconic status that the settle space needle has considering that the Seattle space is three times shorter then the cn tower which proves that size it not everything,and i bet that the freedom tower will be more iconic then the burj khalifa will be.
Well perhaps to Americans... But the rest of the World always knew what they were seeing when a picture of the CN Tower flashed on their TV screen. And that is the very definition of "Iconic".
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No disrespect to you Traynor but i have to disagree with you in movies and the media you see more of the settle space needle then you do with the cn tower.
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no disrespect to you Traynor but i have to disagree with you in movies and the media you see more of the settle space needle then the cn tower.
Ahhh that's a different matter. That's exposure due to Hollywood (also American) and not a true Global perspective.

I thought you meant, if you showed two pictures to someone somewhere around the world, one of the Space Needle and one of the CN Tower in Toronto, would they know what they were looking at.
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Hi Traynor.

Your post is completely incorrect ...

The council does not consider the CN tower a building ...
It is classified as a telecommunications / Observation tower.
Their guideline for a structure to be called a building is "at least 50% of its height is occupied by usable floor area".

You may want to read the 'Tall Building Height Critetia' area on the home page before you arbitrarily and ridiculously decide what their 'letter of the law' is ...

I really enjoy your posts Traynor, usually well worded with good points but I couldn't let that one go.


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The official height measurement, of spires yes but antennas not, is the only ridiculous thing here. Take for example the spires of the Petronas Towers and the antennas of the Willis Tower. They look in fact identical. And therefore there is no difference between them. Accepting spires but not antennas is one of the silliest things I have ever heared.

Btw, I know about the CN Tower, but I haven't got a clue about that Seattle space needle.
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Yes but 100 percent of the lobby entrance IS occupiable and that is the part that is the "Building". The Spire is the 1800 foot part on top.

That is the letter of the law on their page exactly. I have gone over it a thousand times.

It is just obviously so ridiculous that it shows the arbitrary nature of the lines that they draw. That is the only point I am trying to make.

It all boils down to a small group of people in an office somewhere making an opinion. Therefore... All of our own opinions are just as valid.




OK granted it is all just a silly interpretation of the rules, but almost all of the guidlines can be interpreted to bend to a developer's wishes to exagerate his building.
Hi Traynor.
True - opinions are like *******s - everybody got one ...

I don't see your interpretation at all. The rule is "at least 50% of its height is occupied by usable floor area", not whatever one wants to call 'the building portion' of an obvious tower.

I guess, as you say, anything can be read between the lines of any guidelines if one closes one eye and crosses the other ...

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Sorry for the change of subject but it stuck me that the cn tower never achieved the iconic status that the settle space needle has considering that the Seattle space is three times shorter then the cn tower which proves that size it not everything,and i bet that the freedom tower will be more iconic then the burj khalifa will be.
Hi Yankee.

IMO the CN tower is an a great structure. The Space needle is as well. Maybe it's a Country thing ?

I agree 1WTC is a fantastic project.


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