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Old September 19th, 2007, 06:00 PM   #2461
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Those new renderings are _so not_ New York. What a ridiculous idea
It just hit me, that this new WTC will not be any taller than the old ones were :S I've always thought this will be even taller. And the mast doesn't count. It's there only to make it look higher, also in statistics. The design is still nice.

And not that this has anything to do with this tower, 9/11 was a terrible conspiracy. I've seen much of documents that support that. Seems like there's something seriously wrong about US government. Don't take this personal, but it's just so true. If this bothers some of u, let's not discuss it here, but f.ex. in the privat section.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 06:25 PM   #2462
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Don't come on a board like this, say something nuts about how 9-11 was a terrible conspiracy (apparently by the US government), and then follow that with, "but lets not talk about that here."

What a load for crap.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 06:33 PM   #2463
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Don't come on a board like this, say something nuts about how 9-11 was a terrible conspiracy (apparently by the US government), and then follow that with, "but lets not talk about that here."

What a load for crap.
The idea was not to fill this thread with the posts about that. I'm interested in talking about that, but since this isn't the right place, it should happen in some place else. Or do u want dozens of people shouting their opinions, when we shoud be discussing this new tower? I mean the towers wouldn't have fallen down if hit only by one plane.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 06:36 PM   #2464
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Apparently they would, huh?
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Old September 19th, 2007, 06:53 PM   #2465
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The idea was not to fill this thread with the posts about that. I'm interested in talking about that, but since this isn't the right place, it should happen in some place else. Or do u want dozens of people shouting their opinions, when we shoud be discussing this new tower? I mean the towers wouldn't have fallen down if hit only by one plane.
You've been on the Burj Dubai thread today being a dick and I quote:

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I wonder if Burj Dubai can handle a plane or a helicopter crashing it, especially when hit to the upper floors? That's so high that accidents can happen (or terrorist attacks, which is unlikely to happen). Not sure if Dubai "suffers" from fog but i guess the wheather can be bad there too, regardless that it's situated at desert? In a bad wheather one might not see it. The floors from, let's say, 150 are quite thin. I wouldn't like to hear about an accident in which something would hit the tower.
Now stop being a troll and go forth and multiply
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Old September 19th, 2007, 07:13 PM   #2466
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back da topic pls!! .

anyway the tower seem patty than Burj Dubai isn'it??
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Old September 19th, 2007, 08:49 PM   #2467
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You've been on the Burj Dubai thread today being a dick and I quote:
Now stop being a troll and go forth and multiply
That was a propriate question in any way. It's not the first time a plane or a helicopter has hit a skycrapers. It has happened before and after the 9/11. There's nothing "troll" about that.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:02 PM   #2468
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I'm actually curious about what is considered a spire. While I really do appreciate spires such as the ones on the Empire State Building, the Petronas Towers and the Chrysler Building, that isn't the case with the Freedom Tower. I think too many buildings are skirting the official height rules by putting up skimpy antenna-like spires on top of relatively short buildings.

Perhaps there needs to be an additional rule that a spire can only be, lets say 10% or 15% of a building's height. The other aspect is aesthetic also - it can't just be an antenna-like structure!

The Freedom Tower is really a 1,400' building, with a large antenna on top. It is still nothing to sneeze at - it is big! This also is more representative of reality.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:05 PM   #2469
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Nice overview that I found on Google, I was looking for WTC Designs;

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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:09 PM   #2470
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Building Amenities - Observation decks, world-class restaurants, and the Manhattan Television Alliance (MTVA) broadcast and antennae facilities.

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- This building will consist of 69 office floors, and 13 non-office floors with uses ranging from mechanical to dining.
Why does the thread title list it at 108 floors? According to the official WTC site (that GerardB quoted above) it is only 82 floors.

I've already said my piece about the antenna, so I won't repeat too much - but that, combined with the inflated floor count, is quite misleading!
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:28 PM   #2471
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it will have 108F in Total. on the website they don't count all the Mechanical floors...so they come to 82
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:37 PM   #2472
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it will have 108F in Total. on the website they don't count all the Mechanical floors...so they come to 82
So what are the 13 floors they count as mechanical?

I find it hard to believe that a 108 floor building would require 39 mechanical floors to support 69 occupied floors! Even if you take out a couple for the restaurant and observation deck, that is just silly!
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:45 PM   #2473
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so it is 82 or 69 floors?(except those mechanical floors)
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:49 PM   #2474
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I would think at least some of those 39 floors would contain top-secret government equipment. all these varying floor counts are suspicious
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Old September 19th, 2007, 09:58 PM   #2475
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so it is 82 or 69 floors?(except those mechanical floors)
There are only 69 occupied floors. 82 is the total number on the official web-site, which includes mechanical, restaurant and observation deck floors.

108 floors doesn't make sense, given the building is actually less than 1,400', and has a 200 foot atrium level leaving less than 1,200' net. Also keep in mind that floor heights are larger than they used to be.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 10:16 PM   #2476
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If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be) the base is tall, and only one occupiable floor. But due to it's height, the next floor up is like floor 20 or something, as it's height would equal the 20th floor if it was normal floors all the way up. Extra tall floors are often counted as taking up the number of floors that their height would justify. For instance, aren't the mech floors on Burj Dubai counted as 2 floors each in the floor count?

I could be wrong about all of this, but that's my recollection.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 10:23 PM   #2477
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Okay, here's what Wikipedia says, but it agrees with my recollection:

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As revealed on June 28, 2006, Freedom Tower will have a top floor denoted as 102, though the total number of floors is 82 (with possibly some uncounted floors). This is because the first office floor of the building atop the tall base will be designated as Floor 20. There are 69 office floors atop the base, ending at Floor 88, above which would be broadcasting space on the 89th and 90th floors. Three stories of mechanical space take up a floor count of 9. Finally, a restaurant will take up Floors 100 and 101, and the observation deck is at Floor 102. Six additional floors of mechanical space exist above, in a total of a number 108.[10]

Floor breakdown
  • Sublevels - Garage/Retail/Transportation
  • Ground Floor - Main Lobby
  • 1st-19th Floors (Base) - Podium (Not Occupied on the base except for lobby)
  • 20th-63rd Floors - Offices
  • 64th Floor - Sky lobby
  • 65th - 88th Floors - Offices
  • 89th and 90th Floors - Transmission equipment
  • 91st - 100th Floors - Mechanical
  • 100th - 101st Floors - Restaurant
  • 102nd Floor - Observation deck
  • 103rd - 108th Floors - Mechanical (Unoccupied)
  • Top of the building- Observation deck Two (Proposed)
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Old September 19th, 2007, 10:24 PM   #2478
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If I'm not mistaken (and I very well could be) the base is tall, and only one occupiable floor. But due to it's height, the next floor up is like floor 20 or something, as it's height would equal the 20th floor if it was normal floors all the way up. Extra tall floors are often counted as taking up the number of floors that their height would justify. For instance, aren't the mech floors on Burj Dubai counted as 2 floors each in the floor count?

I could be wrong about all of this, but that's my recollection.
That probably explains it. I'd bet that there really are only 82 floors. To be fair, it should really be listed as that - else the CN Tower in Toronto could claim it has 150+ floors as well!

I think the thread title should be changed to reflect the reality!
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Old September 19th, 2007, 10:37 PM   #2479
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if floors 1-108 all have a function, and are filled, then the tower is actually 108 floors. The CN Tower from what I learned from a tour book has no individual floors.
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Old September 19th, 2007, 10:48 PM   #2480
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if floors 1-108 all have a function, and are filled, then the tower is actually 108 floors.
Agreed.
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