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Old August 4th, 2011, 08:19 PM   #25001
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on the closeups of the top of WTC1 tower you really see how small it is. The usable non-core space is tiny - sort of like the Chrysler building. This is exactly as I feared. By the time it gets to the top and is square again it will be absurdly small.

This is definitely not an imposing or impressive tower. Better than nothing but NYC still needs something bigger to truly dominate the skyline.
The core changes shape as the tower increases in height, and if 9/11 taught us anything, it is that you need a strong core so that people can exit the building in an emergency.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 08:21 PM   #25002
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Very nice!
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Old August 4th, 2011, 08:29 PM   #25003
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I think that redundancy is more important than functionality. A building must be strong more than anything else. However I do think that the new WTC towers should have been made far larger than they are now. I keep saying it, they should have made 2 large towers instead of 5 smaller ones.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #25005
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on the closeups of the top of WTC1 tower you really see how small it is. The usable non-core space is tiny - sort of like the Chrysler building. This is exactly as I feared. By the time it gets to the top and is square again it will be absurdly small.

This is definitely not an imposing or impressive tower. Better than nothing but NYC still needs something bigger to truly dominate the skyline.
im guessing you haven't seen 1WTC in person because it is MASSIVE and it very impressive.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 09:16 PM   #25006
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^ You wouldn't be a good detective, he's been there even when the old complex was there. The old towers were more impossing than the lonely 1WTC. That's probably the main reason why he wrote that, but once all four towers get built the complex will be denser than the old one.

@Dan: The core is constantly changing, above the 88th floor, it gets quite small.

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Old August 4th, 2011, 09:20 PM   #25007
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ok fair enough, but im gonna have to disagree that saying this tower is not going to be impressive.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 09:37 PM   #25008
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Does anyone have any diagrams or pictures of the core structure so we can see how it changes? That would be nice.
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Old August 4th, 2011, 09:58 PM   #25009
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^Directly from Zen:

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I never actually counted the number of times the core changes shape but I think it's more than 20 times.


The majority of the core's transformations occur at the base. The red parts are MEP, 4 ADA elevators and PATH vents, 3 of 4 stop at 20th floor. Only the green part goes up to the 70th fl.

Higher up the core takes an octagonal shape (the drawing is roughly) + there's a relocation of two of the elevators bank.
Above the 88th floor (last office floor) only the orange part runs all the way up to the roof.

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Old August 4th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #25010
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Really? I like it.

@325crr: Is that Photoshop? Which filter did you use?

Yes, Elements 9 - shadows & highlights

Oh yeah also, its not even HDR. Not going to start a war, but I thought it would bring some variety like others said. Its all the same photos over & over, thats great but I thought I would mix it up a bit. Thats all!

This IS HDR http://wallpaperswide.com/gothic_bui...allpapers.html

EDIT- Otie, Thanks! Means a lot!!

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Old August 4th, 2011, 10:40 PM   #25011
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interesting, the core seems to take up a very disproportionate amount of space, though that is understandable.

Does anyone have a list of NYC office buildings by usable space? That would be very interesting. I wonder of the BofA building, for example, actually has more usable office space than WTC1. I bet it is close.
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Old August 5th, 2011, 12:05 AM   #25012
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I recall some officials mentioning that the new WTC will be safer than the rules require. But I dunno how the rules changed after 9/11. Is BoA a supersafe skyscraper like the new WTC? Or is it just a standard one? Or is it somewhere in between?
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Old August 5th, 2011, 01:21 AM   #25013
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I recall some officials mentioning that the new WTC will be safer than the rules require. But I dunno how the rules changed after 9/11. Is BoA a supersafe skyscraper like the new WTC? Or is it just a standard one? Or is it somewhere in between?

BofA is pretty beefy, I believe the elevators and stairs are in the concrete core, but not nearly at the level of 1wtc

But in all honesty, it doesnt get much safer than a typical steel building.

I think we all now know that bar joists aren't worth a damn.
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Old August 5th, 2011, 01:44 AM   #25014
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Old August 5th, 2011, 02:32 AM   #25015
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Does anyone know when 1wtc will start climbing again?
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Old August 5th, 2011, 02:32 AM   #25016
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I recall some officials mentioning that the new WTC will be safer than the rules require...
Probably, But to they're using compressed concrete with 2" rebar to build the core. It's essentially the worlds tallest bunker. This is giving the designers fits with the lobby. Apparently, it looks like a bunker.

The word 'indestructible" has a very poor history, but this looks like a pretty solid attempt at it.
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Old August 5th, 2011, 03:07 AM   #25017
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Does anyone know when 1wtc will start climbing again?
Well, since the concrete workers are back on their jobs, it should get back to the pace it had been (assuming fair weather, etc.).

I was thinking this building would start looking a little wimpy by the time it reached 70 floors or so, but the taller it gets, the more impressed I am with how it holds its own in the skyline.

It's a beast of a building.
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Hoping for some new vertical steel tomorrow.
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Old August 5th, 2011, 03:43 AM   #25019
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I bet many people will continue to call it Freedom Tower. Even though that name isn't official anymore, it has a life of it's own now. It will be similar to the old Twin Towers, which were not usually called 1WTC and 2WTC, but North Tower and South Tower. Nicknames are easier to remember than boring official names
Come on, people...how many time is "Freedom tower" has been on air: 6, 7 years?? It's not an everlasting name...even former Burj Dubai today is known as Burj Khalifa and nobody seems to be upset
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Old August 5th, 2011, 06:18 AM   #25020
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Come on, people...how many time is "Freedom tower" has been on air: 6, 7 years?? It's not an everlasting name...even former Burj Dubai today is known as Burj Khalifa and nobody seems to be upset
I know it as Burj Dubai...
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