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Old August 10th, 2011, 05:01 PM   #25161
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bunker

So ... what's this "bunker base" gonna look like anyway? So far it doesn't seem too not clear other than an odd lack of windows in a huge chunk at the bottom.

Does it actually serve any real purpose in protecting against viable threats?
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Old August 10th, 2011, 05:26 PM   #25162
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So ... what's this "bunker base" gonna look like anyway? So far it doesn't seem too not clear other than an odd lack of windows in a huge chunk at the bottom.

Does it actually serve any real purpose in protecting against viable threats?
Not sure what the final cladding design will be, but yes, it does serve a purpose. It's main function is to protect against truck bombs. By starting the offices 200 feet up, and covering the base in reinforced concrete, it minimizes the chance of a truck bomb causing large casualties.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 05:41 PM   #25163
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So ... what's this "bunker base" gonna look like anyway? So far it doesn't seem too not clear other than an odd lack of windows in a huge chunk at the bottom.

Does it actually serve any real purpose in protecting against viable threats?
The bottom 70 feet or so (lobby) is covered with 3 foot thick concrete, the next 100 feet is unoccupied mechanical floors. The first office floor (20) is about 190 feet above ground level.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 05:48 PM   #25164
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Well, no I have a good reason to dislike this building. Apparently the cost of this project is the reason behind the outrageous proposed toll hikes on bridges and tunnels in the NYC area according to an article in today's NYT.

They said this structure is costing $1,000 a square foot!!
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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:01 PM   #25165
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I fully support all the security measures they give this building. This is how a building should be made, being as safe as possible. I hope all new buildings will be built with such security measures.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:06 PM   #25166
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I fully support all the security measures they give this building. This is how a building should be made, being as safe as possible. I hope all new buildings will be built with such security measures.
I wish so as well, I'm sure it's too costly though.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:18 PM   #25167
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I fully support all the security measures they give this building. This is how a building should be made, being as safe as possible. I hope all new buildings will be built with such security measures.
Such security has significant downsides though, and simply isn't necessary for the vast majority of buildings.

The "1 world trade center" is a fairly unique structure symbolically, so I suppose it can be argued that the threat against it is much greater, and justifies such extreme measures.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:29 PM   #25168
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In my opinion everything justifies such extreme measures. A building must be safe more than anything else.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 06:59 PM   #25169
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In my opinion everything justifies such extreme measures. A building must be safe more than anything else.
Do you live in NY and are you paying for it?
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:06 PM   #25171
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Nope, but I gladly would. After all, that's money well spent
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #25172
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Well, no I have a good reason to dislike this building. Apparently the cost of this project is the reason behind the outrageous proposed toll hikes on bridges and tunnels in the NYC area according to an article in today's NYT.

They said this structure is costing $1,000 a square foot!!
It's like I said before. It won't be a problem into the Governor of New Jersey puts in his 2 cents. The building a scapegoat. The tolls were going up no matter what.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #25173
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Yeah, sure.

$12 to cross a bridge that used to cost $6 to cross just to pay for this thing.

This is going to be one very unpopular building in NYC
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:22 PM   #25174
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I speaking to Kanto not kingsc in above post
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:27 PM   #25175
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Yeah, sure.

$12 to cross a bridge that used to cost $6 to cross just to pay for this thing.

This is going to be one very unpopular building in NYC
People hated the original WTC after it was constructed, too.

Like someone said, it's just being used as a scapegoat.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:27 PM   #25176
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Yeah, sure.

$12 to cross a bridge that used to cost $6 to cross just to pay for this thing.

This is going to be one very unpopular building in NYC
They'll make more money, with this building, then they ever lose. They'll make billions of dollars and the toll will still be 12 dollars.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 07:56 PM   #25177
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Wow, just wow.
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Old August 10th, 2011, 08:23 PM   #25178
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Looks like they are finally installing that missing piece of the curtain wall.

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Old August 10th, 2011, 08:34 PM   #25179
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Now we need to see the bottom part installed
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Old August 10th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #25180
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Love to see a picture when of the building when curtain walls are fully installed.
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