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Old August 19th, 2011, 05:04 AM   #25401
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Old August 19th, 2011, 05:15 AM   #25402
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Old August 19th, 2011, 06:50 AM   #25403
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Here's a picture I took tonight. I always wanted to take some pictures of lightning, but never bothered to sit outside taking one 2 second exposure shot after another until I happen to catch a bolt. This was actually the 5th picture I took, The rest of the night was not so fruitful.

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Old August 19th, 2011, 08:49 AM   #25404
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This is a little off-topic, but I'm wondering if anyone knows about the progress of the new WTC mall? Are they working on the below-grade portion? I had read somewhere that the mall would open in 2012.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 09:15 AM   #25405
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Old August 19th, 2011, 09:18 AM   #25406
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Old August 19th, 2011, 10:19 AM   #25407
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That is correct - they are LARGER, not smaller.

So millions of people will go there thinking they are looking at the foot prints of the old towers - and they will be wrong. This is very unprofessional work. I am surprised the families of the victims didn't put up a big fight on this. Maybe they did and I just missed it.

The PA will probably blame it on lack of space. But I don't believe that. For starters they could have gotten rid of the stupid streets they have allowed back into the WTC site.

Very poor decision for something meant to be solemn.

A positive that may come out of the footprints being slightly smaller than the original towers is that if the footings for the sides of the waterfalls are brought straight down to the floor of the memorial museum (not sure if they are or not), that would still allow you to view the original footings of the twins. I'm not sure if I explained that very well. Sorry.

I also have to add that it absolutely boggles my mind that people find so much to complain about and so much fault with the memorial, museum, and WTC buildings which in the grand scheme of things, are really very minor points.

I have a tendency towards eye-rollling when viewing posts like, "Yeah, way to go NYC!" and such, but I think I'll be better able to appreciate them now after being reminded of how much worse it is to see such ridiculous dribble and complaints like yours. Thanks!
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Old August 19th, 2011, 11:40 AM   #25408
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Old August 19th, 2011, 11:47 AM   #25409
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Old August 19th, 2011, 01:02 PM   #25410
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whats the large object held by the crane in oties second pic?
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Old August 19th, 2011, 01:34 PM   #25411
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I think it is one of the fire trucks for the memorial read the postscript under the photo
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Old August 19th, 2011, 03:54 PM   #25412
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That is correct - they are LARGER, not smaller.

So millions of people will go there thinking they are looking at the foot prints of the old towers - and they will be wrong. This is very unprofessional work. I am surprised the families of the victims didn't put up a big fight on this. Maybe they did and I just missed it.

The PA will probably blame it on lack of space. But I don't believe that. For starters they could have gotten rid of the stupid streets they have allowed back into the WTC site.

Very poor decision for something meant to be solemn.
There was an article posted in the Chicago Tribune this week that specifically speaks about this. While the pools are not the exact footprints of the original WTC 1 and 2, the first line of trees that border the pools are in the exact footprints.

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"There is something distinctly nonabstract about a ring of trees around the reflecting pools: The trees precisely replicate the footprints of the twin towers, 212 feet by 212 feet each, as surely as the pools evoke the towers' absence. This isn't slavish nostalgia or pandering to the families of the victims. Rooting the memorial in the particular qualities of its site sends a clear message: This is where people were murdered, where the towers pancaked downward in an apocalyptic vision of smoke, fire and ash. This is not a memorial that could be anywhere; it could only have been built here."

The full article is here.

I think the person who submitted this got the dimension wrong as it is supposed to be 208' x 208'.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 04:28 PM   #25413
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Thanks, I feel better now that at least they have the correct foot prints of the old towers demarcated in some fashion.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 04:44 PM   #25414
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Thanks, I feel better now that at least they have the correct foot prints of the old towers demarcated in some fashion.
Why is this so important to you? Who said that outlining the original tower footprints is the only way to honor the dead? And why are they being any less honored if the outline isn't exactly the same? They didn't need to make these two giant pools, you know that right?
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Old August 19th, 2011, 06:27 PM   #25415
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Why is this so important to you? Who said that outlining the original tower footprints is the only way to honor the dead? And why are they being any less honored if the outline isn't exactly the same? They didn't need to make these two giant pools, you know that right?
Ah, because when people go to see a memorial about an event they want to see it where it happened. If not, then they would build this in maybe Indiana.

One would think that would be self evident but apparently it isn't.

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Old August 19th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #25416
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The memorial is overkill to be sure. You have to think 25 or more years into the future. The entire WTC site will have been rebuilt and reincorporated into the fabric of lower Manhattan. By then, this billion dollar memorial will possess roughly similar meaning and instill the same reverence as the tomb of Millard Fillmore. Or the site of the Eastland disaster in Chicago. There, a $500 plaque commemorates the deaths of more than 800 people in 1915.

At least the pools and open space will be abstract and pleasing enough to be useful to future New Yorkers as park land - a pleasant place to eat lunch on a busy workday. I mean no disrespect to the thousands who lost their lives there 10 years ago. But the truth is the truth. Life goes on.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #25417
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Old August 19th, 2011, 07:08 PM   #25418
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BEAUTIFUL NEW YORK!!!! This tower is clearly symbolic of strength (in its shape) and will (in its jaw-dropping height). New Yorkers are in themselves the image of courage.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 07:12 PM   #25419
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The memorial is overkill to be sure. You have to think 25 or more years into the future. The entire WTC site will have been rebuilt and reincorporated into the fabric of lower Manhattan. By then, this billion dollar memorial will possess roughly similar meaning and instill the same reverence as the tomb of Millard Fillmore. Or the site of the Eastland disaster in Chicago. There, a $500 plaque commemorates the deaths of more than 800 people in 1915.

At least the pools and open space will be abstract and pleasing enough to be useful to future New Yorkers as park land - a pleasant place to eat lunch on a busy workday. I mean no disrespect to the thousands who lost their lives there 10 years ago. But the truth is the truth. Life goes on.
What? Are you really comparing the death of Millard Fillmore and the Eastland disaster to the worst attack on U.S. soil in 200 years? 9/11 was much too important of an event to be forgotten in a measly 25 years. Give me a break. It has set the stage for world affairs in the forseeable future and is undoubtedly the biggest event of the century thus far.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 07:20 PM   #25420
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