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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:13 PM   #28361
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You seem do not get what T/O means.. It will be T/O when the spire is build, so I guess not in 1st Q 2012, but something like 2012 Q3 or Q4, right?
I think he meant roof height topping out. In my opinion topping out can have both roof height and pinnacle height meaning
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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #28362
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since the spire is architectural, does it mean topping out must include the spire?
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Old November 19th, 2011, 04:23 PM   #28363
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Old November 19th, 2011, 05:31 PM   #28364
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You seem do not get what T/O means.. It will be T/O when the spire is build, so I guess not in 1st Q 2012, but something like 2012 Q3 or Q4, right?
It's just semantics, but you're right, officially a building tops out when the last structural steel is placed at the top of the overall framework. So yes, finishing the perimeter columns by 1st Q 2012 (this means the top of the structural roof) and topping out (antenna construction) by Autumn 2012.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 06:27 PM   #28365
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Imagine: A building is topped out and the opening of the building has already been. But 3 years later, the owners decide to increase the top. Than the building is topped out twice.
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Old November 19th, 2011, 07:59 PM   #28366
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The new design for the cladding of the base is terrible! The building now looks like it's been designed by three separate groups that never talk to each other. I've never thought the spire worked with the rest of the design and now the podium and the rest of the building don't work together in either! What are these architects thinking, or not thinking, whichever the case may be!
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Old November 19th, 2011, 08:05 PM   #28367
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Maybe Childs didn't design it, maybe he has gotten the design from an ogre

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Old November 19th, 2011, 08:15 PM   #28368
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Old November 19th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #28369
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LOL, I just had to

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Old November 19th, 2011, 09:31 PM   #28370
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I think the new base design is a lot more refined and suits the complex better
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Old November 19th, 2011, 10:50 PM   #28371
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The new design for the cladding of the base is terrible! The building now looks like it's been designed by three separate groups that never talk to each other. I've never thought the spire worked with the rest of the design and now the podium and the rest of the building don't work together in either! What are these architects thinking, or not thinking, whichever the case may be!
A little overly critical are we?
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Old November 19th, 2011, 11:13 PM   #28372
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Old November 20th, 2011, 05:04 AM   #28373
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[I posted the following re: the new base design, on SSP yesterday]

On the one hand, I never really liked the chamfered corners, so this cubic design appeals to me. The glass and steel look awesome, IMO. I love the greater verticality of it.

I am a little disappointed though, that the steel structure of the base will now not be expressed externally at all, as on the corners of the rest of the tower, even though I never liked the design.

Because we all know what the underlying structure is, this new facade will likely always seem more like a draped curtain (albeit of glass and steel) than an actual wall to me. If this un-chamfered cube had been the design from the beginning, with steel structure to match, this would probably not be the case.
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Old November 20th, 2011, 05:08 AM   #28374
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Old November 20th, 2011, 06:33 AM   #28375
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[I posted the following re: the new base design, on SSP yesterday]

On the one hand, I never really liked the chamfered corners, so this cubic design appeals to me. The glass and steel look awesome, IMO. I love the greater verticality of it.

I am a little disappointed though, that the steel structure of the base will now not be expressed externally at all, as on the corners of the rest of the tower, even though I never liked the design.

Because we all know what the underlying structure is, this new facade will likely always seem more like a draped curtain (albeit of glass and steel) than an actual wall to me. If this un-chamfered cube had been the design from the beginning, with steel structure to match, this would probably not be the case.
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Especially because the underlying structure is butt ugly
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Old November 20th, 2011, 12:57 PM   #28376
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ugh I hate how fat the bottom is compared with the top but at least it's only from some angles.
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Old November 20th, 2011, 01:00 PM   #28377
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ugh I hate how fat the bottom is compared with the top but at least it's only from some angles.
it only looks like that because of the angle.
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Old November 20th, 2011, 03:43 PM   #28378
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Can sombebody explain what do these signs mean?

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Old November 20th, 2011, 04:03 PM   #28379
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MUCH better at the base now!
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