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Old December 19th, 2011, 12:44 AM   #28881
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It's hard to know what was the biggest icon (WTC x Empire State), I think the Empire State was more representative historical and culturally speaking.

But in terms of economic power, the WTC looked more impressive.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 01:08 AM   #28882
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The ESB historically had more visitors, but the WTC also had plenty of visitors.

Especially considering it was the only place in town where you could get a rooftop view in all directions without a suicide fence in the way.

From: http://cryptome.org/wtc-south-tower-roof.jpg

are there/can i find more pics like that one?
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Old December 19th, 2011, 01:20 AM   #28883
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Old December 19th, 2011, 01:43 AM   #28884
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:06 AM   #28885
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NJ and Ct are visible, but so are parts of Pennsylvania.
Don't know if it's an urban legend, but I believe someone claimed (with a 'scope or high-power binocs) that was possible to see the twins from a high point in NE Maryland.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 03:50 AM   #28886
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...just curious. What is the farthest point NYC can be seen from? And don't say..."it can be seen from the space station"

Supposedly, Baltimore can be seen from the Washington Monument in DC, about 40 miles, with buildings only a third of the hieght. I'm thinking from land for NYC, not from out in the ocean somewhere.
I remember as a boy on a clear day we could see the WTC as well as ESB and Chrysler from our boat on Great South Bay - Massapequa: about 40 miles east of Manhattan.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 05:36 AM   #28887
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The ESB historically had more visitors, but the WTC also had plenty of visitors.

Especially considering it was the only place in town where you could get a rooftop view in all directions without a suicide fence in the way.

From: http://cryptome.org/wtc-south-tower-roof.jpg

wow! I didn't know the WTC had that ringed observation catwalk. Was it open regularly or only seasonally or on special events?
They should do a similar observation deck above that ring in the base of the spire of 1WTC. It could have a first floor enclosed with the second floor at the open air.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 05:44 AM   #28888
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wow! I didn't know the WTC had that ringed observation catwalk. Was it open regularly or only seasonally or on special events?
They should do a similar observation deck above that ring in the base of the spire of 1WTC. It could have a first floor enclosed with the second floor at the open air.
It was open regularly, except for inclement weather (especially July 2000 when a storm rolled through the city and there were lightning bolts striking the antenna atop the North Tower). It was a pretty popular spot for weddings, and I agree, 1WTC should have an outdoor observation deck, but I don't see that happening. Maybe atop Tower 2 or 3, I could see that.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 08:43 AM   #28889
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It's hard to know what was the biggest icon (WTC x Empire State), I think the Empire State was more representative historical and culturally speaking.

But in terms of economic power, the WTC looked more impressive.
Coming from someone who spent his formative years in NYC the Empire State Building was by far the bigger icon and far more familiar to me as a child.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 09:15 AM   #28890
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I was going to say the same thing.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 02:08 PM   #28891
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I never was in NYC, but since I was a child I knew about it, after all, it's the capital of the world. Whenever I heared NYC the first thing that came to my mind were the Twins. For me the Twins were definitely more iconic than the ESB

Btw, I have new pics

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E.Bway - Civic Center by Joel Raskin, on Flickr

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One World Trade Center in Holiday Lights: Progress shot for December 2011 by RBudhu, on Flickr

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1 WTC (Our Christmas Tree) by Pablo 57, on Flickr

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1 WTC and 7 WTC by Pablo 57, on Flickr

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Freedom Tower by leatherndevil, on Flickr

And the PA cam at the end

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Old December 19th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #28892
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Now that is some Christmas tree!
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Old December 19th, 2011, 06:49 PM   #28893
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I love These buildings... New York excels
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Old December 19th, 2011, 08:06 PM   #28894
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Old December 19th, 2011, 11:01 PM   #28895
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less than 15 floors to go until topping out! But one question, why cant they just have an observation deck on the 105th floor and put the telecommunicational stuff below that? They can put a viewing area on the roof like the south tower. by the way get some more update photos rolling in from different angles.
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Old December 19th, 2011, 11:03 PM   #28896
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Old December 20th, 2011, 12:50 AM   #28897
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tallest on the horizon good progress
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Old December 20th, 2011, 01:32 AM   #28898
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Not any time soon because the bedrock for mounting a foundation is too far below the surface from about 30th down to Canal to be a smarter economical move than building in midtown or lower manhattan.
Is this an urban legend? Certainly the bedrock is farther down. But bedrock isn't needed to build skyscrapers. Modern piling can rely entirely on friction from the surrounding soil rather than sitting on top of a solid subterranean layer.

Deeper foundations do cost more but that cost wouldn't be prohibitive, especially when compared to all the other costs associated with building in manhattan.

My bet is that zoning restrictions are the reason. City planners try to factor in infrastructure and transportation capacities along with the obvious NIMBY issues.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 01:39 AM   #28899
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less than 15 floors to go until topping out! But one question, why cant they just have an observation deck on the 105th floor and put the telecommunicational stuff below that? They can put a viewing area on the roof like the south tower. by the way get some more update photos rolling in from different angles.
The reason why SOM rejected an observatory platform at the parapet was not because of communication equipment risk, but rather the fact that this tower is self contained, 4 water cooling towers will be located at the roof; also, the window washing crane and its track will take hell alot of space.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 03:18 AM   #28900
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Progress looks very good, I do agree. Still I wish the design was for a Tower a little Taller, about 2,000 feet.
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