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Old March 3rd, 2012, 05:56 AM   #30421
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I still say that if they could do this for the Cardinal (yes well deserved) then WHY didn't they do the building in BIG BLUE for the Giants winning the Superbowl??
I don't remember the giants asking.
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Old March 3rd, 2012, 10:42 PM   #30422
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Awsome!!! This project is much better then former WTC
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Old March 3rd, 2012, 11:07 PM   #30423
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I still say that if they could do this for the Cardinal (yes well deserved) then WHY didn't they do the building in BIG BLUE for the Giants winning the Superbowl??
Perhaps the developer is not a Giants fan?
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Old March 3rd, 2012, 11:24 PM   #30424
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Will it be going green then for Paddys day.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 05:33 AM   #30425
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Old March 4th, 2012, 08:21 AM   #30426
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Hate to say it, but I actually prefer 1WTC to...what was there before.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #30427
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I feel the same way
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Old March 4th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #30428
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As do I... yes we all greatly miss the old WTC... but what is replacing them is in almost every sense superior to what was lost (physical, safety, engineering, aesthetics, integration into surrounding community and street grid, environmental impact)
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Old March 4th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #30429
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I also agree!. What we had before was amazing!, But what we have now, and will have, is something so far more superior and incredible. It's new and innovative in every aspect, just a better quality building in every possible way
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Old March 4th, 2012, 12:00 PM   #30430
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Timothy Dolan, the Archbishop of the Catholic diocese of New York was recently elevated to a Cardinal by the Pope. The lights of 1WTC have been colored red in his honor.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few ex choirboys whose arses went red in his honour before now.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 02:39 PM   #30431
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Timothy Dolan, the Archbishop of the Catholic diocese of New York was recently elevated to a Cardinal by the Pope. The lights of 1WTC have been colored red in his honor.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few ex choirboys whose arses went red in his honour before now.

What a sick thing that would be. You are probaly right though.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 03:26 PM   #30432
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WOW. A very unusual form of the monument of Katyn crime.
Stunng photo.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 03:42 PM   #30433
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Is the cladding still at the octagon point?
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Old March 4th, 2012, 03:48 PM   #30434
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As do I... yes we all greatly miss the old WTC... but what is replacing them is in almost every sense superior to what was lost (physical nope, safety yup, engineering yup, aesthetics nope, integration into surrounding community nope and street grid yup, environmental impact yup)
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New York is the perfect model of a city, not the model of a perfect city... by FerPecT_sHotz, on Flickr

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Freedom Tower and Friends by Babylon and Beyond Photography, on Flickr

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One World Trade Center Progress March 2, 2012 by RBudhu, on Flickr

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One Last View of the Freedom Tower in Progress by Babylon and Beyond Photography, on Flickr

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Old March 4th, 2012, 04:46 PM   #30435
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thanks for searching the www for pics again.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 06:05 PM   #30436
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has it got 1 or 2 jumps to pass the empire state ?
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Old March 4th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #30437
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Old March 4th, 2012, 10:28 PM   #30438
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Is the cladding still at the octagon point?
Yes, about one floor under it. The diagonal steel beam is right between the vertical beams.
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Old March 4th, 2012, 11:46 PM   #30439
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Old March 5th, 2012, 11:28 AM   #30440
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Kanto, if you are going to type this:
"As do I... yes we all greatly miss the old WTC... but what is replacing them is in almost every sense superior to what was lost (physical nope, safety yup, engineering yup, aesthetics nope, integration into surrounding community nope and street grid yup, environmental impact yup)"

I think it fair to know why you do not feel that the new WTC will not be physically superior, aesthetically superior, or better integrated into the surrounding community than the old WTC?

As I see it, the new WTC buildings are airier, roomier, let in far more natural light, and provide much better comforts for building occupants (some of the office photos I have seen from the original towers are downright claustrophobic and dire looking). From the outside the entire complex is covered in glass and beautifully reflects the lights and skyline of neighboring buildings and even Jersey City is clearly reflected in the almost mirror-like finish of 4WTC in many photos I have seen... The old towers, while they had become familiar landmark, were in many ways a brutalist appendage upon the base of Manhattan and buildings 3 (hotel) and 4, 5, 6, and tower 7 were hardly renowned as attractive or memorable architectural works from an aesthetic standpoint compared to the new Towers 1, 2, 3, 4, the museum pavilion, and the Calatrava-designed transit hall which are generally beautiful and shimmering structures even if towers 3 and 4 are not 'revolutionary' in their overall structural designs...

And the new WTC complex reintegrated the street plan of lower Manhattan that the local community desperately wanted (particularly the new building 7 vs the footprint of the old building 7 which cut off lower Manhattan from the rest of the city's streets and views). The new complex provides the memorial complex and hundreds of trees, grasses, waterfalls, and accompanying wildlife (birds and squirrels and whatnot) compared to the brutalist and stark concrete expanse that was the former Austin J. Tobin Plaza that was almost universally regarded as a barren expanse of concrete despite continual efforts to 'liven' it with planters, benches, speakers, and the occasional concert stages and performances... Can you honestly support the argument that Tobin Plaza was better for New York and the Lower Manhattan community that that memorial site and its landscapes?

The last 10 years have been a continual give and take process between the residents, the developers, and governments but I think its is generally accepted that what has emerged as a result of this messy democratic process greatly exceeds what was destroyed (not including lives lost, only the site itself). The original WTC was a monument to eminent domain, government assert its unwelcome will upon the community, and a project without long-term vision... The new WTC is a case study in negotiation, community input from thousands of stockholders, long-term legacy planning, environmental planning and design, etc.

I am not one of those stakeholders... I have only been through JFK twice in the spring and summer of 2004 (which was an awful and shocking experience both times, Phoenix's Sky Harbor airport has been ranked 'America's Friendliest Airport' for numerous consecutive years, a title I cannot imagine JFK getting anytime soon...) so I freely grant to all that my knowledge of the new and old WTC is of an outsider... but based on all that I have seen, read, and researched I cannot imagine how the old WTC could in any objective sense be better that its successor complex...

So, Kanto, my response tries to take some time to thoughtfully argue and support my views in a manner more detailed than 'yup' or 'nope' and I do hope your response will be more involved also... I promise not to get into some silly shouting match as too many on here do since I really have no personal stake in this, I dont live in NY, never visited there, and aside from hoping to see the WTC someday I have no other desire to go to NY... I just wish to hear how others would respond to and defend the opposite perspective on this... Thank you!
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