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Old April 14th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #31301
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Old April 14th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #31302
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The old base design was a lot more subtle, and seemed to fit with the surroundings well. It looked more as though the whole area had been designed as one.
The new base looks a bit hard and out of place in my opinion, but it's not bad, I still like it. The area as a whole should be great once it's all done, i'm really excited about it!

As for the plaza, the new design is awful. There surely has to be some leeway when it comes to the security, they've drastically compromised the way it looks, for what appears to be a minimal increase in security. The old design was much more welcoming and bright, the new one is pretty much pointless, a waste of space. It looks very dark with that big wall along the back.


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Old April 14th, 2012, 09:15 PM   #31303
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Old April 14th, 2012, 10:02 PM   #31304
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Here is why:

Look at the original design. The whole place looks open and inviting, like a grand staircase where people can sit on the steps and have lunch take pictures and talk and socialize and admire the surroundings.

And now look at the re-design. Its claustrophobic. Its walled off with a steep edge. It has a narrow staircase where people can't sit and talk and eat and socialize as it will always be packed with people moving back and forth.

In essence, people can't mingle infront of this building. So people will be either be coming or going and never stopping as their is no room to stop.

That is what makes this re-design so desolate and un-inviting because it makes the people un-social as well.


Redesign of the west plaza.

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I am now very sad. I like the old design a lot, and definitely dislike the new one.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 10:07 PM   #31305
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I would say these designs should even be illegal. This is being built with public funds which were approved by a public agency. Further, there were probably public hearings at which the first design was shown. And of course, that design effected people's decisions to approve it.

So how can they change it now?

If it was approved with a specific design and at a specific cost shouldn't they have to build it that way? Otherwise it is a big bait and switch.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 10:15 PM   #31306
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I don't think the New York Media knows about this. Maybe we can e-mail these re-designs to New York TV News Stations and they can air them and grow public awareness about these horrible re-designs and force the Port Authority to make changes.
The Port Authority does and continues to do whatever they want, nothing will force them to change the designs back to the better versions. Those idiots think who the hell they are most of the time. The future of the Trade Center would have been better off if the Port Authority wasn't involved at all. Who cares if they have deep pockets they get it from the people who pay tolls every day anyway so who needs those morons.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 10:30 PM   #31307
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Here is why:

Look at the original design. The whole place looks open and inviting, like a grand staircase where people can sit on the steps and have lunch take pictures and talk and socialize and admire the surroundings.

And now look at the re-design. Its claustrophobic. Its walled off with a steep edge. It has a narrow staircase where people can't sit and talk and eat and socialize as it will always be packed with people moving back and forth.

In essence, people can't mingle infront of this building. So people will be either be coming or going and never stopping as their is no room to stop.

That is what makes this re-design so desolate and un-inviting because it makes the people un-social as well.

Redesign of the west plaza.

Original design:


Redesign:
Look how open the original design was. Now look how close the street is. Anybody could have drove a car or truck up there. I don't blame them for redesigning it.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #31308
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The dull plaza and unsightly concrete base makes One World Trade Center look even more like a penitentiary than the 'new icon' we were promised all those years ago by the PA.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:05 PM   #31309
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Look how open the original design was. Now look how close the street is. Anybody could have drove a car or truck up there. I don't blame them for redesigning it.
What the heck are you talking about?

There are those concrete pylons around this periphery of this building which will prevent any truck from reaching the stairs of this building.

This is security precautions run amok.

Reminds me of when TSA agents are padding down toddlers. Unnecessary, stupid and waste of time and resources.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #31310
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A country shouldn't just let terrorism defeat it like that. These exaggerated security measures symbolize, at least to me, that the terrorists won. It's not that the safety of the people should be less important, but those concrete pylons would have been enough IMO.

Also, why did they had to remove that fountain for? I can't imagine what safety hazard it may have posed.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:28 PM   #31311
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Imagine what it's gonna be like to even go shopping in the new underground mall? They'll probably have snipers at every corner. They'll be like "hey, why are you buying that kitchen knife set????? BANG!"
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:48 PM   #31312
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What the heck are you talking about?

There are those concrete pylons around this periphery of this building which will prevent any truck from reaching the stairs of this building.

This is security precautions run amok.

Reminds me of when TSA agents are padding down toddlers. Unnecessary, stupid and waste of time and resources.
Look at the gaps between the pylons on the streets in the first design, compared to the new one.
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Old April 14th, 2012, 11:55 PM   #31313
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Look at the gaps between the pylons on the streets in the first design, compared to the new one.
I'm sure that was simply a design error. Either way, the appropriate course of action needed would have been to add more pylons to fill the gap, not to build a Great Wall of China separating the plaza from the sidewalk.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:02 AM   #31314
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I still don't have a problem with it.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:13 AM   #31315
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:17 AM   #31316
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did we ever establish that the redesign was for security measures? maybe it's just cheaper.
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #31317
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:40 AM   #31318
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Most likely would be better if they kept the old design, but I don't really have a problem with the new one. I'm 100% sure with time they will make the base more interactive like they did with 7WTC, and also add things like fountains and sculptures and more gardens. If the PA and SP want to be paranoid, let them; we are lucky they they decided to build supertall skyscrapers, instead of cowering and building really bland and massive, short buildings like they first planned on building when the LMDC was in charge.

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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:48 AM   #31319
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[QUOTE=Mercenary;90415792]Here is why:

Look at the original design. The whole place looks open and inviting, like a grand staircase where people can sit on the steps and have lunch take pictures and talk and socialize and admire the surroundings.

And now look at the re-design. Its claustrophobic. Its walled off with a steep edge. It has a narrow staircase where people can't sit and talk and eat and socialize as it will always be packed with people moving back and forth.

In essence, people can't mingle infront of this building. So people will be either be coming or going and never stopping as their is no room to stop.

That is what makes this re-design so desolate and un-inviting because it makes the people un-social as well.


Redesign of the west plaza.





Tottally AGREE with you in every term.

I think as you that all talk about "safe" about this aspect and that has taken much away from the original design of the plaza. SAD? VERY SAD

WTC1 must be inviting and enviorment frindly for people to be there and socilaize. Now it's not. In worst case it will be just an empty plaza with no hustle and bustle
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Old April 15th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #31320
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did we ever establish that the redesign was for security measures? maybe it's just cheaper.
Yes, regular stairs can get very expensive.

I honestly have no doubt that, on a project of this scale, the cost of building some simple steps is an irrelevant figure. Whoever redesigned the plaza had either a lack of vision or tougher security measures in mind mind, which, by the way, wouldn't be a such a surprise to me judging by the style of the newly built American embassies I've seen across Europe.

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