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Old May 5th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #31861
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An antennae is still an antennae, but the CTBUH rules on spires and antennas is pretty stupid anyways. So lets just say 1 WTC is America's tallest building by pinnacle, and Sears is America's tallest building by roof. Just let them share the glory so that everyone is happy.
Finally a sensible post. The original north tower was shorter than Sears too, so who gives a shit?
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Old May 5th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #31862
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The present tallest buildings in Hong Kong and Guangzhou should be in that diagram. I think they are taller than WTC 1.
No, ICC is 484m and GIFC is 439m. So 1WTC beats them both.

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Old May 5th, 2012, 06:07 PM   #31863
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An antennae is still an antennae, but the CTBUH rules on spires and antennas is pretty stupid anyways. So lets just say 1 WTC is America's tallest building by pinnacle, and Sears is America's tallest building by roof. Just let them share the glory so that everyone is happy.
Yea but the broadcast antennae will still have an enclosure so it's still a mast. Also, some guys at SSP contacted Dunst & they replied saying that they will still keep an enclosure and beacon & make it look "terrific." apparently the beacon is going to have a horizontal light like a lighthouse -_-
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Old May 5th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #31864
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Old May 5th, 2012, 09:56 PM   #31865
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As i stated before on previous post for me its not about a matter of height, but a matter of closer and renewal and that's what 1 wtc represents for me .
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Old May 5th, 2012, 10:00 PM   #31866
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #31867
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If they were all built as drawn there China would have nine.
you're not following, them having nine is not a surprise or interesting............also China is the biggest country in population in the world by far and Seoul is a city

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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #31868
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I am a fan of the new WTC...and New York......my favorite city after my own but reading the few previous posts some reality should be shown where the world is at.....The building to the left of the WTC in Doha was designed and planned and approved to be built here in Melbourne yet was innitially planned to be 680 metres.............I still lament.


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Wow man, that's great for Melbourne. Anyone else feel proud to live in the craziest skyscraper generation man has ever seen ?
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:33 PM   #31869
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CTBUH no longer measures roofs (that measurement was dropped in 2009). So Willis only wins in one category, and that's highest occupied floor. Also, CTBUH is leaned towards still calling the antennae a "spire".
Don't know where you heard that, they still measure roofs.
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:45 PM   #31870
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Finally a sensible post. The original north tower was shorter than Sears too, so who gives a shit?
Exactly, the whole spire and antennae debate is stupid, and makes me wonder why we think of CTBUH as some all knowing leader. Antennae's are still a piece of metal, you technically could remove a spire, so why would they create such a idiotic rule ? Roof and pinnacle are what matters.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 12:18 AM   #31871
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Old May 6th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #31872
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you're not following, them having nine is not a surprise or interesting............also China is the biggest country in population in the world by far and Seoul is a city

Not to you maybe. I thought it was a pretty crazy statistic myself.

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Old May 6th, 2012, 12:49 AM   #31873
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Don't know where you heard that, they still measure roofs.
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lso in response to the changing designs and forms of tall buildings, the Height Committee has elected to discard its previous “Height to Roof” category. “The roof category just doesn’t make sense anymore,” said CTBUH Executive Director Antony Wood. “In the era of the flat-topped modernist tower, a clearly defined roof could usually be identified, but in today’s tall building world—which is increasingly adopting elaborate forms, spires, parapets and other features at the top of the building—it is becoming difficult to determine a ‘roof’ at all, even less so to measure to it.”
The tallest 10 buildings in the world as of November 2009 are shown in the diagrams above, ranked according to the three height categories now recognized by CTBUH. These are: (i) Height to Architectural Top, measured to the topmost architectural feature of the building including spires, but not including antennae, signage, flag poles or other functional-technical equipment; (ii) Height to Highest Occupied Floor, measured to the level of the highest, consistently occupied floor in the building (thus not including service or mechanical areas which experience occasional maintenance access); and (iii) Height to Tip, measured to the highest point of the building, irrespective of material or function of the highest element.


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Exactly, the whole spire and antennae debate is stupid, and makes me wonder why we think of CTBUH as some all knowing leader. Antennae's are still a piece of metal, you technically could remove a spire, so why would they create such a idiotic rule ? Roof and pinnacle are what matters.
The broadcast antenna fits to the architectural radome, not vice versa. It's somehow a plus added to the original spire idea.

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Old May 6th, 2012, 01:56 AM   #31874
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I am a fan of the new WTC...and New York......my favorite city after my own but reading the few previous posts some reality should be shown where the world is at.....The building to the left of the WTC in Doha was designed and planned and approved to be built here in Melbourne yet was innitially planned to be 680 metres.............I still lament.


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When you see all this skyscrapers who is built and will be built in the near future it's sad to see that New York is falling behind when it comes to scyscrapers. 1wtc looks like nothing in compared to what will be in the future.

I love New York it's the best city in the world and deserves to call itself "The capital of the world" but I want to see at least ONE Megatall skycraper. I think that would have been a discussion around the world that N.Y is back for real.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 02:55 AM   #31875
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Old May 6th, 2012, 03:38 AM   #31876
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Old May 6th, 2012, 04:22 AM   #31877
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When you see all this skyscrapers who is built and will be built in the near future it's sad to see that New York is falling behind when it comes to scyscrapers. 1wtc looks like nothing in compared to what will be in the future.

I love New York it's the best city in the world and deserves to call itself "The capital of the world" but I want to see at least ONE Megatall skycraper. I think that would have been a discussion around the world that N.Y is back for real.
The problem is that America is falling behind. Although the Chicago firm for the Chicago spire said that it isn't dead, the chances of it getting built are slim to none. Their aren't any cities besides NYC and Chicago that can step up to the plate, and build America a mega tall. NYC will most likely keep 1 WTC as the tallest for atleast the next two decades, so hopefully Chicago will build a mega tall. But the one thing we have that all the other nations don't is history. We have so many historic buildings, especially gorgeous art deco gems, and that is what sets us apart.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 04:57 AM   #31878
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It'll only be a matter of time for an NYC Megatall. Midtown would be perfect. Heck, since everyone seems to want to lease outta midtown due to the better transport hubs, midtown would be a perfect canvas for a 2000 footer. They should X out the current Penn plaza design and make it a huge 2000ft'er, so it doesn't look so similar height-wise to the ESB. Being "Penn plaza/station" makes it the most iconic, appropriate and feasible reason to make a megatall, as compared to lets say a standard or new named building/area, like "hudson yards" etc. Obvious they can't call it "wtc", so I think "Penn Plaza" is their last hope/chance to have a reason/iconic-named-building to build a megatall. Otherwise, wouldn't it be just called some new or weird name?

A midtown Mega-tall would be perfect. It'll be like papa bear (2000ft penn plaza), mama bear (ESB) and baby bear (Chrysler) in midtown and would have such a nice scenic composition.
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Old May 6th, 2012, 05:14 AM   #31879
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