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Old May 10th, 2012, 02:22 AM   #32161
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Don't start correcting me, you're like the only one here with a positive attitude towards this redesign..it's quite disgusting
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Old May 10th, 2012, 02:46 AM   #32162
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But what kind of landmark is a 426m tall glassed box ruining one of the most beautiful and most well made skylines, that has not only been there for a couple of years. But since the early 20th century?).
What is with all this criticism over 432 Park Ave? I think that building looks great!

Pity about 1 WTC, though.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 02:48 AM   #32163
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And sadly this tower will be surpassed by that stupid stick rising in midtown.
Too much hate
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Old May 10th, 2012, 02:59 AM   #32164
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Hey c'mon everybody.

I wish that I was a Tyrant, I would have called myself "Tommy the Tyrant"
Or that my father was Donald "mcdonald" Trump and that he bought me the ground zero area to me and then I would have built the new wtc with your visions all inside it.

I think that it would have been nice if the people of New York would have been invited from the beginning in shaping the new wtc complex. Cost what it will cost we stick to the plan, the heroes of 9/11 deserves it.

Regarding to the new mast, antenna or spire I don't know what we will call it but it looks new York"ish" to me little futuristic style and I think its nice, but hey I am the crazy swede what do I know
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Old May 10th, 2012, 03:01 AM   #32165
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Well technically the old spire was designed before the recession, so you can't really blame them. This was just a terrible time to construct this building.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 03:01 AM   #32166
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To put the roof at 1776 feet !!
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Old May 10th, 2012, 03:19 AM   #32167
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Old May 10th, 2012, 03:38 AM   #32168
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To put the roof at 1776 feet !!
Exactly
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Old May 10th, 2012, 03:49 AM   #32169
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Yes thats should have been the purpose with restoring the wtc complex.

The roof should have been at 1776 feet nothing more nothing less. At least one of the seven buildings
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:01 AM   #32170
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:03 AM   #32171
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Here is the way I see it:

There is no way the new design for the mast should be counted in the official height. Otherwise, you might as well count the antenna height for the ESB, Willis Tower, 4 Times Square, etc.

Taken into account that the building should be measured from the lowest open-air pedestrian entance, which is actually 5' 8" lower than where they took the 1776' measurement from, the real height figures should now be:

Height to tip of antenna: 1797.67'/547.93m
Height to top of parapet (official height?): 1373.67'/418.7m
Height to highest occupied floor: 1274'/388.32m

Just my 2 cents for now. It will be interesting to see what the powers to be are going to come up with next!
If we also start including antenna/masts in official heights we'd probably start seeing lots of buildings adding them on top just so they could say their buildings taller. Antenna's are a cheap height multiplier.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:20 AM   #32172
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If we also start including antenna/masts in official heights we'd probably start seeing lots of buildings adding them on top just so they could say their buildings taller. Antenna's are a cheap height multiplier.
Agreed, it'll be like people start adding 1,000ft antennas to the top of their houses so they can say they live in a supertall
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:22 AM   #32173
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Don't start correcting me, you're like the only one here with a positive attitude towards this redesign..it's quite disgusting
Their are lots of people here that mentioned they like the new antennae.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:28 AM   #32174
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Their are lots of people here that mentioned they like the new antennae.
cool..even though it ruined it
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:30 AM   #32175
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I preferred the old spire. The antennae doesn't look awful as such, but i'm not sure how I feel about 432 being the official tallest building in the city once it's finished! It should of been 1wtc
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:44 AM   #32176
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I preferred the old spire. The antennae doesn't look awful as such, but i'm not sure how I feel about 432 being the official tallest building in the city once it's finished! It should of been 1wtc
If 432 Park gets finished, then we have bigger problems to worry about
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:45 AM   #32177
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Hi all.

The 1776 number is still being lamented over ?
This was made clear a year ago. The council measures from the finished floor at the threshold of the lowest, significant, open air, pedestrian entrance - not an average lobby floor height as the plans for this project does. The 1776 was never going to be the official height right from the start.
1 - The developer knows this as well as anyone, so what the train of thought was by having the plans start their measurements at an average lobby floor height is beyond me. Plans have their starting measuring points at various heights but considering the 1776 was a big deal in this case, why measure that from an average lobby floor height ?
2 - No way this will happen IMO but it should be mentioned. Perhaps the council will make an exception to the rules they use for every other building on Earth and measure as the plans for this project do. Many projects state a height as per the plans that the council changes for the official height using their criteria. No way their going to change those criteria for this one project IMO.

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Here is the way I see it:

There is no way the new design for the mast should be counted in the official height. Otherwise, you might as well count the antenna height for the ESB, Willis Tower, 4 Times Square, etc.

Taken into account that the building should be measured from the lowest open-air pedestrian entrance, which is actually 5' 8" lower than where they took the 1776' measurement from, the real height figures should now be:

Height to tip of antenna: 1797.67'/547.93m
Height to top of parapet (official height?): 1373.67'/418.7m
Height to highest occupied floor: 1274'/388.32m

Just my 2 cents for now. It will be interesting to see what the powers to be are going to come up with next!
Hi Vito.

It's great to have someone on 'the inside' pertaining to height numbers and the council. Your insight and time here is appreciated.

1 - The council won't count the antenna in the official height to architectural top if it isn't covered. If it is then it will be considered a spire and will be counted. Correct ?
2 - I've seen some info in here stating the lowest entrance is 3' 4" below where the plans measure from. You have accurate drawings showing it is actually 5' 8" ?
3 - The plans have the top of the beacon at 1776'. Is that what will be considered the official architectural top (if the mast is considered a spire) ? That height will be 1781' 8"
4 - Above the beacon is the 8' radome and above that the 8' lightning rod (unless they change that with the revision) so the official height to tip will be as you mentioned regardless of whether there is an antenna or a spire, at 1797' 8".


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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:47 AM   #32178
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cool..even though it ruined it
Translation: My opinion = FACT
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:53 AM   #32179
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Yea sure okay. This building is losing its inspiration little by little
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:54 AM   #32180
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please stop saying you guys love the new design, i know you're all entitled to your own opinion, but you cant believe that's it actually going to look like that..they'll probably enclose it in something
in September, the Science Channel had a series on the reconstruction. They showed scenes form inside the management office. Posted to the wall was a render...with that very same antenna design. So it looks like they were planning this months ago.
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