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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:11 AM   #32221
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NO, the whole F***ing purpose was to show the world that we can come back from devastation stronger then ever, and to restore the skyline.

Well to each its own on this matter.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:19 AM   #32222
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Well to each its own on this matter.
I'm seriously stunned right now. Not only do people care only about the height of the building, even when the building is the same what some stupid counsel says about the height is all that matters.

Pure irrational stupidity.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:29 AM   #32223
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I'm seriously stunned right now. Not only do people care only about the height of the building, even when the building is the same what some stupid counsel says about the height is all that matters.

Pure irrational stupidity.
Finally someone speaks a rational and logical thought. It's sad to see that a lot of people only care about this because of it's height. Am I the only one that remembers 9/11 ? I eagerly await the day that the WTC is completed, and we have finally rebuilt that area, and people can renew their hope in America.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #32224
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Only to according to your perception of logic, as for me yes i care about its height i'm entitled to my own opinion.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 10:20 AM   #32225
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Oh my god. That new antenna doesnt looks very permanent.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 10:45 AM   #32226
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the height of the 102nd floor is or was 1,266' 8". If you count the 4-5' column splice you should get the 1,271 feet tall height the PA and the media have been spouting about the tower's current height.

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Old May 10th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #32227
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No, everyone is complaining about the appearance, look at this picture. The left looks fine, the right looks worse than rotten garbage.

HAHAHAHA!!!! LOLOOLOLOL!

What is that?!?? Chicken wire? Barbed wire? Where'd they get that design and material?? ..the local Home Depot store??? I bet it cost's 0.50 a sq foot... way to save your money jerks!!!
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Old May 10th, 2012, 10:52 AM   #32228
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I am done with 1 wtc see you guys at 432 park ave forum.
Yup..my thoughts exactly..i've already been peepin the 432park thread, and don't gorget the newest proposed - 225west..which doesn't even have any renders or height specs/info yet....hopefully, this one will be our Western-hemisphere, Usa and NYC King!

Crossing fingers... 225West is our last hope for a true king, this decade. Hoping to at least beat Sears' roof and also tip/spire/antenna height.

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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:19 AM   #32229
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NO, the whole F***ing purpose was to show the world that we can come back from devastation stronger then ever, and to restore the skyline.
In WHAT ways did we come back "stronger than ever"?

HAHAHAHAHA.

1 WTC isn't an architectural masterpiece in the slightest. It's a tapered box with an Office Depot barbwire jutting out from the roof. 2 might never be built. 3 was reduced in height, watered down in design and might never be built either. 4 is just a boring building.

So we are back "stronger than ever" because of a single boring building that is isn't even complete 11 YEARS LATER? Even Mexico could put up a building, do it but theirs would have been built LONG ago.

Unfinished cheapened complex, traveling is stressful, the WTC complex, when it's completed in 50 years will forever be a military state of bomb sniffing dogs, snipers, extraordinary high security and we are back stronger than ever!?

Really? In a country where supertalls like the Empire State Building could be put up in ONE year, this lone ratchet looking building that just now coming along 11 years later is a symbol of our "come back"? If this sad catastrophe known as the WTC rebuilding is a symbol of our comeback, then this country is so pathetic.

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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:31 AM   #32230
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Wow, what a shame about the spire. The original design with the enclosure looked great too.

As much as I like this new complex I think they got it all wrong from the start, they should have made only 2 towers to free up finances to make this building around 2400ft (including spire).
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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:50 AM   #32231
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Putting a fat white stick on top of a building doesn't make it 1776 feet any more than me having huge spiky hair makes me 7 foot tall. The actual building is just as large, smooth and elegant as it was before. It doesn't lose its symbolic value either - it will still stand in glory upon the site where all those people died. The whole spire vs antenna thing is ridiculous - it's a stupid metal pole and no matter what you call it that won't change. I say toss the damn thing away entirely while you're at it.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #32232
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The antenna structure was always there, just decided to remove the radome enclosure. There was never a redesign, nor a modification of the antenna.

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Antenna at 1WTC by Otie O'Daniel, on Flickr
i quite like the antenna on the left. there is a functional aesthetic to it that I find quite beautiful. While I also liked the spire, im starting to feel it looks too much like a cigar.

at any rate i never really perceived 1wtc as a 1776 foot building despite the 'publicity' advertising it as such. just like wearing higher shoes or wearing a big hat doesn't really make you a taller person
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Old May 10th, 2012, 11:53 AM   #32233
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Putting a fat white stick on top of a building doesn't make it 1776 feet any more than me having huge spiky hair makes me 7 foot tall. The actual building is just as large, smooth and elegant as it was before. It doesn't lose its symbolic value either - it will still stand in glory upon the site where all those people died. The whole spire vs antenna thing is ridiculous - it's a stupid metal pole and no matter what you call it that won't change. I say toss the damn thing away entirely while you're at it.
The fat white "stick" gave the building presence. It would LOOK like an actual 1,776 ft from afar because the spire was very fat and looked very much part of the building. Now with some disgusting tiny invisible toothpick, the building very much looks its short pathetic 1,300 ft height.

Oh well, there is always the Hudson Yards. Those new twins look gorgeous. I hope this WTC complex fails and all the business flows to the Hudson Yards. Well it is already a failure but most people are too scared to admit it. I don't care. This complex is a complete and utter failure. 11 years later and we barely have one building with with its beacon being a trashy antenna. Not even a proper spire like the Chrysler or Empire State. A flat top with a ghetto antenna. Sad.

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Old May 10th, 2012, 12:04 PM   #32234
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NO, the whole F***ing purpose was to show the world that we can come back from devastation stronger then ever, and to restore the skyline.
Stronger in what sense?
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Old May 10th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #32235
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My god have they ruined 1 wtc. What the hell are these people thinking?????!!?!?

I had real hopes for the new wtc. Seems the only part built to plan was the memorial waterfalls. Such a shame.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 12:56 PM   #32236
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Stronger in what sense?
I have to agree with his statement, the whole purpose of this project is a symbol of resilience. From here in Australia, that message is loud and clear, I can only imagine how raw feelings must still be in America. That's why people are so angry about this, such a little thing as an uglier spire design will send people angry, this is a statement to the world.

And personally I don't like the new design either.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 01:03 PM   #32237
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Itīs very sad they replaced the cool modern spire with an average antenna. I know the spire was just antenna with cladding but with the redesing of base itīll have a major impact on the 1wtc look.
What a bad news.....this building should be a superior to old WTC not just a substitute.
BTW: The 1776ft sounds much better than 1368, because it means something...
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Old May 10th, 2012, 01:06 PM   #32238
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errrrrrr
what is with the new design? D: it looks dreadful and lifeless...

The spire on the original design fitted perfectly well with this building, now it's just a stick which is stuck on must relatively high buildings around the world... even here in Nottingham one of our 75m tall buildings has an antenna like that... just dreadful really

To say that this building is to show respect to the 9/11 attacks and showing the world that New York can come back building stronger and more beautiful than ever... well, they're slowly dissapointed everyone...

This buildings needs the cherry ontop to finish it off nicely, this new antenna doesn't do it
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Old May 10th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #32239
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This tower now will be 1373 feet tall and I think that the CTBUH will be forced to drop the 1776 number. What a disgrace this new antenna is. Shame on Durst, the PA and SOM!!

PS: I'm going to add a 600 feet tall antenna on my highrise, so I can say I live in supertall!
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Old May 10th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #32240
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The antenna redesign looks good to me. I've never given any credance to the allegedly "official" measurement. That's like saying the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences gets to determine the "official" best movie. There is no such thing as an official height. There are only various different ways of measuring height.
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