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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #32281
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How the **** does it disgrace New York? It is more of a New York style than the previous design! Goddamn, some of the people here make me glad it was redesigned...
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:44 PM   #32282
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How the **** does it disgrace New York? It is more of a New York style than the previous design! Goddamn, some of the people here make me glad it was redesigned...
Starting to feel the same way...
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:45 PM   #32283
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wow. Lot's of vitriol over a big stick...I guess that's what you get on a forum dedicated to architectural obsessiveness.

Just wanted to weigh in that, though I really did like the previous "fat" design, changing to the antenna doesn't really bother me. Hopefully, as Otie posted, those rings at the base of the spire/antenna aren't going to just look like metal scaffolding and will be filled in.

Perhaps I think less of what the number 1776 means and think more about what it means to have a building there at all.
Everything Otie has posted is accurate. It's been said before, but if you want to know what the finished product is going to look like, you can go look at the antenna on top of 4 Times Square. That is owned by Durst as well. Ironically, that antenna was built to take over for the loss of the antenna at the original 1 WTC.

I don't consider these industrial antennae to be a New York look. Chicago started that with John Hancock Center. NYC only picked up on it with the WTC, and when that was destroyed they plopped an even uglier replacement on 4 Times Square as I posted above.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #32284
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wow. Lot's of vitriol over a big stick...I guess that's what you get on a forum dedicated to architectural obsessiveness.

Just wanted to weigh in that, though I really did like the previous "fat" design, changing to the antenna doesn't really bother me. Hopefully, as Otie posted, those rings at the base of the spire/antenna aren't going to just look like metal scaffolding and will be filled in.

Perhaps I think less of what the number 1776 means and think more about what it means to have a building there at all.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #32285
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How the **** does it disgrace New York? It is more of a New York style than the previous design! Goddamn, some of the people here make me glad it was redesigned...
I'm just glad they are complaining of the looks rather than an arbitrary number.

Anyway, for those who hate it, are the redesigns really that bad? A square base and an antenna just make the tower even more reminiscent of the North Tower. I see this as a good thing.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:47 PM   #32286
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How the **** does it disgrace New York? It is more of a New York style than the previous design! Goddamn, some of the people here make me glad it was redesigned...

I like it how you are optimistic about the new spire. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #32287
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I'm just glad they are complaining of the looks rather than an arbitrary number.

Anyway, for those who hate it, are the redesigns really that bad? A square base and an antenna just make the tower even more reminiscent of the North Tower. I see this as a good thing.
That's exactly how I feel, I miss the twin towers, and now this feels like a mix between 1 WTC and the old WTC, so I am pretty happy with this.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:50 PM   #32288
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That's exactly how I feel, I miss the twin towers, and now this feels like a mix between 1 WTC and the old WTC, so I am pretty happy with this.

I just wish it could still be 1776 feet.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #32289
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I just wish it could still be 1776 feet.
If they wanted a building that was 1776 feet they should have added another 40 floors
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #32290
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I just hope that they still have the light beacon at the top.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 07:58 PM   #32291
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Hi.

My sources have sent me the definitive design. It's made with 100% Spanish telecommunications technology and will be done by the company "Antenas de Televisión Manolo y Benito S.L."

This is the definitive render:

[IMG]http://i48.************/fwubmd.jpg[/IMG]
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:01 PM   #32292
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The building has no meaning now. To fall from 1st place to 3rd and 4th place is even a disaster. How can they say America has come back taller and stronger as it's the same height as the old North Tower and 2 other towers at the center is questionable. SMH.

Spire and Antenna makes a total difference. Spire is a architectural sculpture that is made to go up from the building and gives it meaning. *Antenna is just a broadcast tower ontop of a box like a television. Both elements have different roles, however Spire and building plays 1 role as it gives character to the building as a whole. *Durst say it will be hard to maintain; how the hell the owners of the ESB been maintaining their steel spire for 80+ years now. That is not a good excuse.*

1WTC is the most expensive office building ever built, so why spend all that money not to have bragging rights for something. You gonna build it and say what now?............... Just built the damn spire & just leave the building alone. That site is like curse, jeez!*
There's so much wrong with this post

1, The building will be taller than the Twins. 2 meters taller than the North Tower and 4 meters taller than the South Tower.

2, ESB has no spire. The fatter section which ends in a flying saucer style observation floor is the observation section of the building and therefore still part of it. The thin steel stick above it is an antenna, which looks nearly identical to the planned antenna of 1WTC, so if that one is OK, 1WTC's will be OK too.

3, Both an antenna and a spire are the same thing, thin, tall steel sticks.

4, Official height says nothing about the height of a building. It's an imaginary number, nothing more. The height of 1WTC will not change, it will be identical, only the above mentioned imaginary number will change.

5, Seriously people, what's wrong with you. Those 20 million in initial costs and much more in maintenance costs can be used for things so much better and so much more important than an imaginary number, for example to make the 9/11 museum be for free to visit
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:10 PM   #32293
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:12 PM   #32294
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There's so much wrong with this post

1, The building will be taller than the Twins. 2 meters taller than the North Tower and 4 meters taller than the South Tower.

2, ESB has no spire. The fatter section which ends in a flying saucer style observation floor is the observation section of the building and therefore still part of it. The thin steel stick above it is an antenna, which looks nearly identical to the planned antenna of 1WTC, so if that one is OK, 1WTC's will be OK too.

3, Both an antenna and a spire are the same thing, thin, tall steel sticks.

4, Official height says nothing about the height of a building. It's an imaginary number, nothing more. The height of 1WTC will not change, it will be identical, only the above mentioned imaginary number will change.

5, Seriously people, what's wrong with you. Those 20 million in initial costs and much more in maintenance costs can be used for things so much better and so much more important than an imaginary number, for example to make the 9/11 museum be for free to visit
You couldn't have said it better then that.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #32295
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Seriously, I think it's something very negative for New York, too.

I'm sorry for you.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #32296
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It already cost 4 billion dollar. They should have thought about the cost, before they started building the superbase on this building. If they were really trying to cut cost, they'd top the building off now and they wouldn't put shit on top of it. The PA is full of shit and they always have been. They don't give a **** about this building so why should I.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:20 PM   #32297
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You got some good points there kanto but, this is still a huge let down.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #32298
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Kanto your wrong ESB does have a spire. Secondly spires and antenna's aren't the same. One has a function while the other does not.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #32299
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The original, big, thick, fat spire DOES matter!!! It isn't just some "dumb addition/spire/antenna/after-thought"....

X-ing out the original, NICE, phat spire from the 1WTC... is exactly the same as removing the spire/top/tip of let's say the CN Tower, the new Tokyo Sky Tree or Shanghai's Oriental Pearl Tower to a skinny toothpick antennae... IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!!!

The 3 aforesaid towers all have pretty fat, thick spires/antennas and would look completely ridiculous with a few skinny sticks of metal at the top and wouldn't give as much presence.

The Durst jerks better bring back the original fat thick spire design.
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I just hope that they still have the light beacon at the top.
I said the same thing, but you need to stop "clapping" and stuff just because you think you're getting it your way but it''s not even confirmed yet so no one should be getting their hopes up on anything yet.
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