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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:09 AM   #32721
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I kind of care, it's silly that Asia and now Russia build buildings that they claim are taller than ours yet lack the roofheight.. America should be able to play the cheating game too, and not even as much that, the spire just LOOKED better with the casing, really, it won't be so hard to find a different, cheaper casing, maybe someone will come to their senses in the next couple of months and save NYC's skyline from this ugly montster of an antenna, the spire was for me, what made the building.

I don't see why it can't just be temporary (The bare antenna I mean) they should build the antenna, then wait until they have sufficient funds from brodcasting to install something better.

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Not sure how this building changing to a spire makes America stupid

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it's silly that Asia and now Russia build buildings that they claim are taller than ours yet lack the roofheight
Exactly. This is why roof height is as important as pinnacle to me. The Sears Tower will be 4th tallest in the world by pinnacle height. 1 WTC will be 3rd tallest by pinnacle. By roof height Sears will be 6th tallest in the world, and 1 WTC will be 9th tallest.

Both measurements are very important, and that's why I have said they share the title.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:16 AM   #32722
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UGHH...

Who cares if it's the tallest. The way you are speaking shows that you walk a very thin line. All you care about is having the tallest building, even if you have to cheat to get there.

Also, who cares what the CTBUH council says. They are just one voice in the architecture community, last I checked they aren't God...
Hi.

The CTBUH is not A voice in the architectural community ... It is THE voice in the architectural community.
Their criteria for measuring the 3 official heights have been refined by the top minds in many different fields pertaining to tall structures.

As for the height of this project, even though the height to architectural top is used as the measure that tall structures are compared and ranked, the height to tip is still an official measure and is just as important IMHO.


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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:24 AM   #32723
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Hi.

The CTBUH is not A voice in the architectural community ... It is THE voice in the architectural community.
Their criteria for measuring the 3 official heights have been refined by the top minds in many different fields pertaining to tall structures.

As for the height of this project, even though the height to architectural top is used as the measure that tall structures are compared and ranked, the height to tip is still an official measure and is just as important IMHO.


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There are other voices. No one has to listen to CTBUH. Just because they say something doesn't make the other person wrong. What matters is roof height and pinnacle.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:28 AM   #32724
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Then tell me the roof height of the Burj Khalifa.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:31 AM   #32725
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Otie, can you please tell everyone at SSP that the current height is 1,303 feet & not 1,293 feet? I don't think they know about the recent rule from the tall buildings people or whatever it's called lol
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:44 AM   #32726
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Your not getting the point. I am asking why you are so obsessed with it being the tallest, and why do you care so much what some council says ? You realize that them counting the antennae is cheating right ? Do you still want the tallest building even if it's on a technicality ? Spires or antennae's are cheating. Look at federation tower. It is a 360 meter building, but it has a spire that goes to 506 meters, that is absolutely cheating. Imagine how much cheaper that is to make then say a building of the same size that has a roof of 480 meters, and no spire.

It's a free world, you might want to talk to the government about dropping the bill of rights if that bothers you...
You need to leave people alone...you're always up in someone's grill. This is all YOUR opinion that a spire is cheating, not ours, yours. Mind your own business because I'm tired of you answering my comments.....do you live in New York? Do you know how much pride they bring to the east coast? Being the tallest isnt the top priority to me but getting it done is, but still it's time for change, and the Sears has had its glory for more than 30 years but New York deserves it back. It's a beautiful building, but too much has flawed it and it's embarrassing too
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:46 AM   #32727
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Otie, can you please tell everyone at SSP that the current height is 1,303 feet & not 1,293 feet? I don't think they know about the recent rule from the tall buildings people or whatever it's called lol
Do you have an educated guess when topping out is expected then installation of the newly designed spire?
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Old May 15th, 2012, 04:47 AM   #32728
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Then tell me the roof height of the Burj Khalifa.
That is the reason that highest floor is another good measurement. It is 621 meters at the highest floor. But considering that the rest of the building is actual structure, that they actually constructed,the roof is 828 meters.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:13 AM   #32729
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UGHH...

Who cares if it's the tallest. The way you are speaking shows that you walk a very thin line. All you care about is having the tallest building, even if you have to cheat to get there.

Also, who cares what the CTBUH council says. They are just one voice in the architecture community, last I checked they aren't God...
I care if it's the tallest. It's something near and dear to my heart. And I find great pride in it.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 06:25 AM   #32730
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Lol, didn't know that.
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Asian supertalls are just super boring.
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Well yea the Petronas Towers are nice but after a while you just get too used to them..I think just one tower in a downtown area would be really cool...I like Shanghai Tower however..
If its not built in the US, it's not good!!!!

Comments and discussions like these indicate insecurity.

How do you get 'too used to them'?



If anything, I find structures like ESB and Eiffel Tower overrated. They are used to represent present/past national glory more than anything else in today's world. would you agree?

Yes ESB was built earlier than the rest, but Petronas is something distinct as well, is it not?

I wouldn't find ESB boring to be honest.

Oh btw, anything built in China is just super not good !!!!
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Old May 15th, 2012, 10:28 AM   #32731
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #32733
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Old May 15th, 2012, 01:52 PM   #32734
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I care if it's the tallest. It's something near and dear to my heart. And I find great pride in it.
Correction: You don't care about its height, you care about an imaginary number released by the CTBUH
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Correction: You don't care about its height, you care about an imaginary number released by the CTBUH
i agree, if you want to make something the tallest, you should build it tall and not just add an antenna on top. if they made a big crown or added 20floors with a nice spire, we wouldn't have this conversation to begin with. The building is amazing, but in height it never was a big improvement to the old WTC.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #32736
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Old May 15th, 2012, 03:43 PM   #32737
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Sorry, I'm not understanding the changes, what actually happened with the spire? It will be redesigned or removed from the project? The WTC1 was supposed to have more then 500 mts, right?

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Sorry, I'm not understanding the changes, what actually happened with the spire? It will be redesigned or removed from the project? The WTC1 was supposed to have more then 500 mts, right?

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The height of 1WTC didn't change, it still is 419 meters to the roof, as it was before and 541 meters to the pinnacle, as it was before. The only thing that changed is the design of the antenna. The cover of it was removed. Because of that the CTBUH now categorizes it as an antenna, not as a spire and therefore it doesn't count it into its official height measurement, however, that official height measurement is just an imaginary number which has got nothing to do with the real height of the building
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Old May 15th, 2012, 05:01 PM   #32740
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Once they started building the office floors, it was physically impossible for them to shorten the height, due to the design.
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