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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #32781
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I think you don't understand what strict really means The rules as they are now are strict and they don't have to be fair. That is unless you are kid getting emotional with everything. The measure system provides a way of equally comparing all buildings. Not only boxy towers with boxy towers, or only pointy towers with pointy towers. See the picture now?

And btw looking for burj height anywhere below the tip of the spire just makes me smile. Even iloveclassicrock7 understand how ridicules is that
Equally comparing? Wrong! It is completely unequal. In some buildings it counts thin steel sticks and in some not, where is your precious equality in that? All that I see is inequality and discrimination in the official height

Btw, I once made a nice pic which I recovered from a long dead thread. Behold the Cheater Building, a building with the highest official height in the US:

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And btw patrykus, fair and equal are the same
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #32782
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It's all relative. It's like comparing stealing a book, to stealing a car. Although stealing a car is worse, it is still bad to steal anything. It's the principle which matters. In this case the 300m building that has a 250m spire is clearly cheating, while the WTC is still cheating but not on as serious of a level. This is why roof, pinnacle, and top floor is what matters.
For the hundreth time it's just your opinion and not officially the general truth
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:45 PM   #32783
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And you guys need to understand, Kanto too, that it's not like theres more spire than building, One WTC gets its dominance mostly from its structure, the spire is just a "side dish" lol
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:49 PM   #32784
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My Cheater Building is perfectly within CTBUH limits with a roof height of 282 meters and a spire height of 550 meters (so the spire is 268 meters tall)
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:52 PM   #32785
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Equally comparing? Wrong! It is completely unequal. In some buildings it counts thin steel sticks and in some not, where is your precious equality in that? All that I see is inequality and discrimination in the official height

Btw, I once made a nice pic which I recovered from a long dead thread. Behold the Cheater Building, a building with the highest official height in the US:

[IMG]http://i42.************/2mmi81g.jpg[/IMG]

And btw patrykus, fair and equal are the same
Exactly. A 300m building with a 300 meter spire is NOT taller then a building with a roof height of 301 meters, or 590 meters or 480 etc....
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:52 PM   #32786
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And btw patrykus, fair and equal are the same
No they are not. I do understand that some developers cheats adding spires for extra height, but you have to have one system to measure all buildings. You can't measure some buildings differently because "you think" it is more fair in particular case, and others differently again because you think it's right. Thats because I can disagree with your personal judgment, and some other person can disagree with both of us. Thats why one equal but not necessary fair system is needed. Uff I think you'll finally understand
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Old May 15th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #32787
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My Cheater Building is perfectly within CTBUH limits with a roof height of 282 meters and a spire height of 550 meters (so the spire is 268 meters tall)
Exactly, we have just proved that CTBUH standards don't work.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:06 AM   #32788
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Equally comparing? Wrong! It is completely unequal. In some buildings it counts thin steel sticks and in some not, where is your precious equality in that? All that I see is inequality and discrimination in the official height
The Sears Tower's antennas are not included in it's official height because they were added years after the building was completed, same with the antenna on the ESB, they were never in the building plans.

And people, a building is the entirety of the building. The height of a building is the height to the top of the building. The WTC has been designed with this spire that goes to 1776', so why would you ignore it and say the height of the building is lower than what the obvious top of the building is? No matter if it is a "thin metal stick" or not, it is part of the building, and the building is what is being measured.

CTBUH has reasoning for their rules, it isn't just somebody's personal opinion.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:06 AM   #32789
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Guys, honestly you're wasting your time, no one gives a crap and hardly anyone in America even pays attention and hasn't even heard of CTBUH so really you need to stop..it still doesn't prove anything to me
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:07 AM   #32790
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Exactly, we have just proved that CTBUH standards don't work.
Let's see that spire stand without support. It could not be that tall, it would have to be a guyed mast which does not count.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:09 AM   #32791
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No they are not. I do understand that some developers cheats adding spires for extra height, but you have to have one system to measure all buildings. You can't measure some buildings differently because "you think" it is more fair in particular case, and others differently again because you think it's right. Thats because I can disagree with your personal judgment, and some other person can disagree with both of us. Thats why one equal but not necessary fair system is needed. Uff I think you'll finally understand
And that is exactly what I was talking all the time. You can't measure 2 buildings differently, you must measure them equally. The CTBUH measures them in its official height totally unequally. In one building it accepts the same thing that it doesn't accept in another building On the other hand, roof height and pinnacle height measure buildings perfectly equally
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:09 AM   #32792
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I see the usual suspects are still spinning this thread out of control. Take you bitching at each other to PM's please. I'm sick of seeing this garbage every time I come here.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:17 AM   #32793
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Let's see that spire stand without support. It could not be that tall, it would have to be a guyed mast which does not count.
The former spire on 1WTC had wires to support it too, yet CTBUH still counted it. Also, you say that antennas were added later, but spires are added later too, later after the building itself is completed structurally. You said that the building is the entirety of the building, however again, this means that both spires and antennas should by your rule be counted cause both of them are a part of the building.
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I still keep the suggestion of a pyramid for additional floors for 1wtc. anyone here who can find a legit way to contact the PA or childs?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:29 AM   #32795
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Yep anyone can stick a 500m spire on top of a building and then claim that building is the tallest. But that is ridiculous. Just like you measure a car's real length from bumper to bumper, the same is done for buildings. Spires are just window dressing. You wouldn't include a long hood ornament in the overall measurement of a car. Same for skyscrapers. Therefore, the Sears Tower will be the real tallest in the US for now, followed soon by 432 Park in New York, then followed by One World Trade Center by its roof height of 1368/1374. It seems pretty clear to me.
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In actuality, even if the original intended spire of One World Trade had been kept, that was just an antenna encased in fiberglass, and did not include floors or anything, so either way, old spire or new Durst spire, One World Trade's height is actually 1368/1374. Whether the tip of an antenna counts in terms of unofficial height is another matter, but REAL height is simple...from ground floor to top of roof. If people wanted One World Trade to be 1776 feet, they should have built the roof height to that level. The end.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:36 AM   #32797
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Very well said. I 10000% agree with you
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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:22 AM   #32798
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I see the usual suspects are still spinning this thread out of control. Take you bitching at each other to PM's please. I'm sick of seeing this garbage every time I come here.
Lets go to SkyscraperPage, garbage here won't be cleaned up.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:25 AM   #32799
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In actuality, even if the original intended spire of One World Trade had been kept, that was just an antenna encased in fiberglass, and did not include floors or anything, so either way, old spire or new Durst spire, One World Trade's height is actually 1368/1374. Whether the tip of an antenna counts in terms of unofficial height is another matter, but REAL height is simple...from ground floor to top of roof. If people wanted One World Trade to be 1776 feet, they should have built the roof height to that level. The end.
Exactly, no one can dispute real height. I would have been happy to see 1 WTC be 1776 feet, but it's not. Very well said. If adding a layer of fiberglass is the difference between an "antennae" and a "spire", then the CTBUH has surely lost their mind. Not to mention that neither should be counted outside of the pinnacle measurement. The possibility of a 300m building using a 250m spire to become taller then an actual roof height of 520 meters, shows just how flawed the CTBUH system is.
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Lets go to SkyscraperPage, garbage here won't be cleaned up.
So just because I have a different opinion, it's garbage ? Not to mention, that lots of people have come on here agreed with me and Kanto.
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