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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #32801
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And that is exactly what I was talking all the time. You can't measure 2 buildings differently, you must measure them equally. The CTBUH measures them in its official height totally unequally. In one building it accepts the same thing that it doesn't accept in another building On the other hand, roof height and pinnacle height measure buildings perfectly equally
If you mean antennas as fordgtman1992 mentioned they are not part of the building, but equipment and we are measuring building not it's equipment. The 300m supertall, whatever shape it is, whether it has a spire or hasn't, when you put 100m ladder on top it still is 300m supertall. That's how ctbuh understand it and it's very reasonable. If it was up to me I would consider counting antennas as well for consistency as they are rather permanently added to the building and much more significant than other elements like air conditioning and such.

We can all end up permanently banned for all that fuss , night is coming, and I'm too tired to continue, so I will end this up leaving you with this dilemma:

Look at the two buildings below. Suppose the right one has higher top floor than the left one. Which is taller?

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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:33 AM   #32802
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If you mean antennas as fordgtman1992 mentioned they are not part of the building, but equipment and we are measuring building not it's equipment. The 300m supertall, whatever shape it is, whether it has a spire or hasn't, when you put 100m ladder on top it still is 300m supertall. That's how ctbuh understand it and it's very reasonable. If it was up to me I would consider counting antennas as well for consistency as they are rather permanently added to the building and much more significant than other elements like air conditioning and such.

We can all end up permanently banned for all that fuss , night is coming, and I'm too tired to continue, so I will end this up leaving you with this dilemma:

Look at the two buildings below. Suppose the right one has higher top floor than the left one. Which building is taller?


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but equipment and we are measuring building not it's equipment
So if a piece of metal has some function to help broadcasting in a city, it automatically cannot be counted ? Well that makes no sense.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:47 AM   #32803
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you know what would be lovely... some photos of 1WTC..... or am I visiting the wrong thread for that??
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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:48 AM   #32804
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So just because I have a different opinion, it's garbage ? Not to mention, that lots of people have come on here agreed with me and Kanto.
yea but you blabber on & on about it when no one cares, no offense...
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Old May 16th, 2012, 01:51 AM   #32805
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yea but you blabber on & on about it when no one cares, no offense...
A lot of people do care. Marsh, Kanto, the tallest building, etc... all agreed with me
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Old May 16th, 2012, 02:19 AM   #32806
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CAN WE JUST PLZ GET BACK TO CONSTRUCTION PROGRESS AND PICTURES AND QUIT WORRYING ABOUT THE DARN BLESSED SPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old May 16th, 2012, 02:21 AM   #32807
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Old May 16th, 2012, 02:27 AM   #32808
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I agree with beast. lets all conclude that any structure that has ANY use for the building can be included in the height. PERIOD. kthxbye
PS: with my rule, spires, which are just for show, are not included in height while antennas are, spires can be incouded if the roof ends in a point.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #32809
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you know what would be lovely... some photos of 1WTC..... or am I visiting the wrong thread for that??
Nope, now we just get pages of tedious bickering to skip through. Or people post the same pictures that were already posted (such as the picture a few posts above this one)
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Old May 16th, 2012, 02:55 AM   #32810
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Perhaps because it is a more striking building than 1 WTC, which most people see as a simple box?
Sounds a lot like how people spoke of the old towers before their demise.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:00 AM   #32811
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Usually when it's cloudy, there aren't very many update pictures.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:04 AM   #32812
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No worries. I'm over the spire/antenna issue anyways. Moving on..1WTC will be a very cool skyscraper when finished regardless. Getting so close to topping out.
Maybe a nice July 4th present!
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:05 AM   #32813
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Usually when it's cloudy, there aren't very many update pictures.
Still, errbody stop the nitpicking, please.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:11 AM   #32814
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No worries. I'm over the spire/antenna issue anyways. Moving on..1WTC will be a very cool skyscraper when finished regardless. Getting so close to topping out.
Maybe a nice July 4th present!
Yeah I am moving on too. About July 4th, I expect it to top out in June, and finish at the end of Summer.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:16 AM   #32815
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A lot of people do care. Marsh, Kanto, the tallest building, etc... all agreed with me
you're right alot of people...all three of them
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:17 AM   #32816
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the spire shouldnt take long to finish. oh well, when madagascar comes out will be the time this tower tops out. hakuna matata about the spire, they count 1776 feet and that is what I am proud about, it doesnt always matter about height, it matters about iconism. when you make a list of worlds most iconic buildings, this one comes first, even now.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:20 AM   #32817
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First off, please don't bite my head off if I am repeating what's already been discussed. I have been following this project for a long time on this site, but not nearly as closely as you all and this is the first time I've felt compelled to post, mainly because I have nothing to offer

I know you all have been discussing the new antenna, and I have looked back at many a post. But I am still confused as to what the actual roof will look like at this point? Mainly because when you go to www.wtc.com they have a new video on the first page with the older roof render (which is the one I love). Yet I thought the (in my opinion hideous-) ring was the current choice?

Any help would be appreciated. I really wish they'd go with the one in the new video - it looks fantastic.

Thanks.
The ring you're refering to is named Communications Platform Ring and its design changed a while back ino a more exposed version.
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1 WTC | Rooftop by Otie O'Daniel, on Flickr

The video you saw at wtc.com was produced by Piranha, the same CGI company who also made the first animation for the site. Since the Port Authority became owner and developer of Tower One, Silverstein stopped being involved in the project, having no updated architectural drawings of it. Piranha, being hired by Silverstein, just received architectural papers for Towers 2,3 and 4. The result? A great CGI movie depicting accurate models of Tower 2, 3 and 4, while showing the earliest version of Tower 1.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:20 AM   #32818
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So just because I have a different opinion, it's garbage ? Not to mention, that lots of people have come on here agreed with me and Kanto.
one man's garbage is another man's treasure so just dont listen to his opinion and watch this tower rise as steel gets bolted in, glass gets fitted in, and concrete gets poured in.
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:39 AM   #32819
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Does anyone know when they will put the rest of the glass up ?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 03:57 AM   #32820
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The ring you're refering to is named Communications Platform Ring and its design changed a while back ino a more exposed version.
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1 WTC | Rooftop by Otie O'Daniel, on Flickr

The video you saw at wtc.com was produced by Piranha, the same CGI company who also made the first animation for the site. Since the Port Authority became owner and developer of Tower One, Silverstein stopped being involved in the project, having no updated architectural drawings of it. Piranha, being hired by Silverstein, just received architectural papers for Towers 2,3 and 4. The result? A great CGI movie depicting accurate models of Tower 2, 3 and 4, while showing the earliest version of Tower 1.
Wait so there will only be 3 bare metal rings with none of those satellite dishes on it?
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