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Old May 18th, 2012, 06:29 AM   #33001
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The Post-American Skyscraper

In the days and weeks after September 11 hardly a day would go by without another homemade design for the World Trade Center showing up in my inbox. Some were crude, some were obscene, some were impossible to construct and some were genuinely visionary. Even those most familiar with the crusted workings of New York state and city government, not to mention the bi-state beast of the Port Authority, could hardly have imagined that eleven years later one far smaller tower would still be under construction.

One World Trade Center, formerly the Freedom Tower before that name was deemed too showy and patriotic, is a faintly shiny presence on the skyline, glass slowly sliding over stories of naked steel, overshadowed by Frank Gehry’s strikingly surreal Beekman Tower with its rippling lines. If you didn’t know what you were looking at, you would hardly notice it was there.

Now One World Trade Center will lose a radome enclosure due to budget cuts, which means very little except that the building’s ridiculous 400 foot spire risks being classified as an antenna and OWTC will no longer be recognized as the tallest building in the country. The death of the radome is one of the many redesigns to the building that have made it the forgettable structure that it is today. And the difference in those 400 feet is the difference between a 1,368 foot skyscraper and a 1,776 foot skyscraper.

Having lost the Freedom Tower designation, losing the symbolic 1,776 height seems almost an afterthought. The 1,776 number was an artifact of Daniel Libeskind, the original architect, and his vision for the site. That vision was mostly discarded, along with its “sky gardens” and windmills. The “1,776″ height is about all that remains of the German-Jewish architect’s proposal. And regardless of whether we count the antenna as a spire or not, it will not be the tallest building in the world. Those can be found in the places that funded the terrorists, Saudi Arabia and Dubai, which have used slave labor to build glass and steel pyramids to the glory of their own pharaohs.

The Empire State Building, the Grande Dame of New York skyscrapers, has a roof height of around a 100 feet or 30 meters lower. The difference between a skyscraper built during the Great Depression and one built during the 21st Century Depression is around 100 feet and about a century of aesthetics. Where the spire of the Empire State Building is an organic extension of it, the one atop OWTC is awkwardly placed, it’s just there making time and filling up the space.

In its defense, One World Trade Center is graceful enough compared to the Sears Tower or the Dubai Burj, which pile blocks and needles together in a cluster of alien geometry. It will be better looking than the New York Times Building and the Bank of America Tower, which both have that made- by-IKEA look. It will also be completely unremarkable and that is a feature, not a bug.

Its blandness of name and design convey that it is an apolitical structure. Its only ambition is to embody a post-American bigness made possible by a large antenna. Its unexceptional nature is an antidote to the American exceptionalism sparked after the September 11 massacre. Much like welcoming in a mosque near Ground Zero or incorporating Islamic elements into the Flight 93 Memorial, it says that there is nothing especially American here.

One World Trade Center will need to fill all that office space, and many international renters may do business in America, but they don’t like us very much. And ever since September 11, American political and business leaders have tried to be as inoffensive as possible, to avoid stepping on anyone’s toes with our jingoism and our flags so that next time we don’t get bombed.

The former Freedom Tower will be a properly post-American building. It will be big, but not too big. It will be smaller than the towers put up by our enemies so that they will have no reason to feel jealous. It will not stand for anything in particular. It will just be office space, like the city and the country, a place that people can come to do business without making any commitment to it.

“A skyscraper rises above its predecessors, restoring the spiritual peak of the city, creating an icon that speaks to our vitality in the face of danger and our optimism in the aftermath of tragedy,” Libeskind had said of his design. One World Trade Center cannot be accused of doing any of that. There is no spiritual peak, not even the one at the top of its no-longer-1,776-foot height.

The rapid construction of the Empire State Building in a year’s time during the Great Depression made a statement about the ability of a nation to do great things even in its darkest hour. The slow pace, the perpetual redesigns and the bland final product of One World Trade Center make the opposite statement. A reminder that inept and timid leadership can rob a nation of its exceptionalism.

In 1910 the eleven tallest buildings in the world were in New York City. Now the city doesn’t even make it into the top eleven and barely makes it into the top twenty. And the majority of today’s top eleven buildings went up after the World Trade Center was destroyed. When One World Trade Center is completed, and, if its antenna is counted as part of its height, it will qualify as the third-tallest building in the world, until the latest monstrosities in Shanghai and Dubai topple it off that list.

A building is not a nation, but there are certain parallels to the diminution of national ambition, and there are undeniable parallels between the stumbling makeshift design process of One World Trade Center and the fumbling War on Terror. A great work can be done in a short time if you know what it is you want to accomplish. The blueprints for the Empire State Building were drawn up in two weeks and the structure was completed in a year. One World Trade Center has suffered from revisions and redesigns because it never had a clear purpose. Most people agreed that something had to go up, but they no longer knew why except that it was empty space and empty space has to be filled.

It’s not a tower of freedom, because freedom implies too much individual agency. It has opportunities for those who pursue them hard enough. It does not however have a future. Only the eternal present of buildings that, for all their futurism, are hardly any taller than they were a hundred years ago.

Futures arise from national destinies. A nation unmoored from its past has nowhere to go. It cannot make anything new, because there are no new things. Its horizons are limited to its geometry, it experiments with shapes and colors, it digs through the trash of earlier eras for things it can use, reviving trends, dumpster diving through history while feeling that other eras were more exciting and more interesting than this.

The Post-American America is a place unsure of its identity, whose new conceptions of American values all too often serve only to negate the old, creating an empty space in which nothing is forbidden and everyone is welcome, but that has no structure, only emptiness.
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Old May 18th, 2012, 06:43 AM   #33002
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Old May 18th, 2012, 06:45 AM   #33003
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That article is actually really shitty, it completely underminds all the other amazing projects around the US and NY, which are big on a world scale. It also completely overestimates Dubai, which won't be building anymore buildings for a looong time after the bubble burst, and Saudi Arabia hasn't even started its Kingdom Tower. Plus not everything is about tall buildings, a "terrorist" nation if you want to call it that, has 1 taller building, yet could never come close to toppling the US in any way.

People blow things out of porpotion and that article was a perfect example of that.

Plus, let it be made clear that there is NO REDESIGN of the spire, that's how it has always looked under the radome. I am still hopeful that Childs and the PA can work something out considering the public outcry and shame.

Let's forget about it for the time being shall we?
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Old May 18th, 2012, 06:46 AM   #33004
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Old May 18th, 2012, 06:53 AM   #33005
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Great shots NewYorkSkyline117. It's nice to see the new Towers from a distance. It shows just how much of an impact they are making just as the Twin Towers once did.
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Old May 18th, 2012, 06:55 AM   #33006
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Old May 18th, 2012, 09:22 AM   #33007
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I love that 1 WTC is just as tall as the towers were. So exciting to see it rising along with 4 WTC.

I feel like I'm the only one who wouldn't like to see a megatall in NYC, lol.
I disliked Goldman Sachs for overshadowing the World Financial Center, Beekman Tower for messing with the East River skyline of Lower Manhattan and obscuring the Woolworth Building...
A megatall might ruin the skyline.
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Old May 18th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #33008
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NO! We have FORUM RULES so STICK to them. This is a thread to discuss the construction of WTC1, not a thread to discuss height measurement methods, CTBUH, sports, possibility of future twins, terrorists, religion and what not. I am sick of it, and Erbse said clearly that you all should stick to the rules and hold this and other threads on topic and yet you all manage to derail it into off topic, again, again and again.
This is a thread about 1WTC and 1WTC related stuff. Not a thread about Forum rules and bullshit. Discussing forum rules here is way more off-topic. If some people aren't following rules, then the moderators should erase their posts.
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Old May 18th, 2012, 12:34 PM   #33009
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This is a thread about 1WTC and 1WTC related stuff. Not a thread about Forum rules and bullshit. Discussing forum rules here is way more off-topic. If some people aren't following rules, then the moderators should erase their posts.
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Old May 18th, 2012, 01:18 PM   #33010
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That article is actually really shitty, it completely underminds all the other amazing projects around the US and NY, which are big on a world scale. It also completely overestimates Dubai, which won't be building anymore buildings for a looong time after the bubble burst, and Saudi Arabia hasn't even started its Kingdom Tower. Plus not everything is about tall buildings, a "terrorist" nation if you want to call it that, has 1 taller building, yet could never come close to toppling the US in any way.

People blow things out of porpotion and that article was a perfect example of that.

Plus, let it be made clear that there is NO REDESIGN of the spire, that's how it has always looked under the radome. I am still hopeful that Childs and the PA can work something out considering the public outcry and shame.

Let's forget about it for the time being shall we?
I think that was a very good article. It wasn't pleasant to read it but it was true. The new WTC is only a shell of what it should have been. This rebuilding effort was THE greatest chance of building something more iconic and taller than anything this planet has ever seen and what did we get? Buildings that are utterly uniconic with a height that an average Chinese city can beat. I don't wanna rant here, but this complex is one big, shy apology. Something like "sorry, but we aren't bold enough anymore to rise to the records, but here you have something that maybe might interest you".
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Old May 18th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #33011
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I think that was a very good article. It wasn't pleasant to read it but it was true. The new WTC is only a shell of what it should have been. This rebuilding effort was THE greatest chance of building something more iconic and taller than anything this planet has ever seen and what did we get? Buildings that are utterly uniconic with a height that an average Chinese city can beat. I don't wanna rant here, but this complex is one big, shy apology. Something like "sorry, but we aren't bold enough anymore to rise to the records, but here you have something that maybe might interest you".

The WTC site may not be as impressive as it could have been, but a structure the size of the old North Tower is still welcomed, plus there will be 4 large skyscrapers instead of 2 (maybe 5)

The WTC isn't the only development in NYC though, the article completely fails to mention the other supertalls being developed in NYC and elsewhere in the US. China is an exception because of their wealth and size and upcoming power, but you never know how long it will be before the bubble bursts.

Your average world city has nothing nearly as tall as 1375 feet, so while it's not amazing, it's still ok, and more are on the way.

Plus I'm holding out for an agreement to be reached between PA and Childs and Durst to make the building oficially 1776 again.

In short... the article was overly negative and whiny
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It's true that there are other supertalls rising in NYC, but only one (432 Park) is truly tall
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Old May 18th, 2012, 01:47 PM   #33013
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It's true that there are other supertalls rising in NYC, but only one (432 Park) is truly tall
Huh? There's a near 400 meter tower in the Hudson yards plan, plus 2WTC will also be nearly 400 meters.

One57 and 4WTC and Hudson south tower (kind of) are smaller supertalls but will still impact the skyline greatly

There are also many many more to come.
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But China has got a 632 m Shanghai Tower, a 597 m Goldin Finance 117, a 589 m Pingan IFC, a 530 m Chow Tai Fook Center, a 492 m SWFC, a 484 m ICC, a 442 m King Kong 100, a 432 m GIFC, which all are far taller
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Old May 18th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #33015
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And what has this all to do with THIS tower? There we have it again. *facepalm*
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Old May 18th, 2012, 02:50 PM   #33016
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But China has got a 632 m Shanghai Tower, a 597 m Goldin Finance 117, a 589 m Pingan IFC, a 530 m Chow Tai Fook Center, a 492 m SWFC, a 484 m ICC, a 442 m King Kong 100, a 432 m GIFC, which all are far taller

Good for it, stop complaining

The last 3 on that list aren't even that much taller anyway, only a handful. China has 1.3 billion people, the US does not.

As I've said many many times, China is an exception. The US has more skyscrapers than anywhere else.
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But the US used to have the tallest skyscraper in the world for over a century, surely you must be at least a bit disappointed that after 2004 it started to totaly ignore this. And I know that it is still far better than Europe. Europe is a total joke skyscraperwise, but still, we were used for the US to do far better than how it is doing now
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The economy is not so hot right now, I would give it time.
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men stress about their ***** the same way some of you stress about this towers height: is it really that important?shouldn't we be talking about engineering and architechture?
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go to the 432 thread. Apparently height is important for some
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