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Old July 17th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #35101
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Yes you guys have convinced me that we are indeed at ~1,350 - 1,360 feet. The only thing I cant quite grasp is why they would put up the steel beams the way they did. I would think they would put ~20 foot beams up to the top of floor 105, or even possibly place very long ~55 foot beams to complete floor 105 and the parapet altogether in those two spots. But no, they placed two ~40 foot beams to complete the 105 floor, but only half of the parapet in this area. Also, if this is true, the parapet beams would be angled slightly inward as the rotated square's beams are. From what I have understood and seen, it appears the beams for the parapet will be completely vertical, not angled.

Can someone explain this please?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #35102
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Old July 17th, 2012, 05:50 PM   #35103
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Oh yea, And more steel is going up today!
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #35104
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Yes you guys have convinced me that we are indeed at ~1,350 - 1,360 feet. The only thing I cant quite grasp is why they would put up the steel beams the way they did. I would think they would put ~20 foot beams up to the top of floor 105, or even possibly place very long ~55 foot beams to complete floor 105 and the parapet altogether in those two spots. But no, they placed two ~40 foot beams to complete the 105 floor, but only half of the parapet in this area. Also, if this is true, the parapet beams would be angled slightly inward as the rotated square's beams are. From what I have understood and seen, it appears the beams for the parapet will be completely vertical, not angled.

Can someone explain this please?
I though the parapet columns will be slightly angled too just like the columns are on other floors?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:08 PM   #35105
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It is now confirmed that the tower will NOT be 1,776 feet, unless somehow the antenna will be an exception...
"After coming onto the project in 2010, The Durst Organization had proposed eliminating the radome to save costs but was rejected by the Port Authority's previous executive director, Chris Ward. His September 2011 replacement, Patrick Foye has changed the Port Authority's position. The decision is final as stated by Douglas Durst: "(the antenna) is going to be mounted on the building over the summer. There's no way to do anything at this point."
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:10 PM   #35106
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Wow, that's awesome news. Thanks for posting it, it made my day
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #35107
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It is now confirmed that the tower will NOT be 1,776 feet, unless somehow the antenna will be an exception...
"After coming onto the project in 2010, The Durst Organization had proposed eliminating the radome to save costs but was rejected by the Port Authority's previous executive director, Chris Ward. His September 2011 replacement, Patrick Foye has changed the Port Authority's position. The decision is final as stated by Douglas Durst: "(the antenna) is going to be mounted on the building over the summer. There's no way to do anything at this point."
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:17 PM   #35108
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It is now confirmed that the tower will NOT be 1,776 feet, unless somehow the antenna will be an exception...
"After coming onto the project in 2010, The Durst Organization had proposed eliminating the radome to save costs but was rejected by the Port Authority's previous executive director, Chris Ward. His September 2011 replacement, Patrick Foye has changed the Port Authority's position. The decision is final as stated by Douglas Durst: "(the antenna) is going to be mounted on the building over the summer. There's no way to do anything at this point."
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #35109
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This is the best way I can explain it.



Now look at the left side where the arrow points. If the parapet is indeed angled, then where the diagonal beams meet must be angled as well, looking like this: (Pay close attention to the top left and top right beams.)
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/\.............../\
|.\............/..|
|..\........../...|

They clearly are vertical in the picture, and not bent. If they were not angled, but vertical, and all the other beams were angled, then you would not have a perfect rotated square. The corners would be extended at an acute angle.

Yet if they all were vertical, then it wouldn't look as strange above the angled sides, for it blends with the connector beams better, as the picture shows. Thus, the parapet must be vertical.

Hope this makes sense.

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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:38 PM   #35110
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Shouldn't it be like this?

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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #35111
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It is now confirmed that the tower will NOT be 1,776 feet, unless somehow the antenna will be an exception...
"After coming onto the project in 2010, The Durst Organization had proposed eliminating the radome to save costs but was rejected by the Port Authority's previous executive director, Chris Ward. His September 2011 replacement, Patrick Foye has changed the Port Authority's position. The decision is final as stated by Douglas Durst: "(the antenna) is going to be mounted on the building over the summer. There's no way to do anything at this point."
Chibear85, stop posting old crap that wasn't even recently confirmed. That was from an article over 2 months ago, seriously don't start getting people angry over something that isnt even officially confirmed. People, it
's not confirmed so please don't listen to this.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #35112
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #35113
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From that angle, yes it would, but from the side (This is exaggerated)(Dots are the sky):
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../
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The angled roof beams support vertical beams, and there is a vertical beam above each corner of floor 105 where the diagonal/connector beams meet. I know it is very confusing and hard to explain.

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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #35114
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It is now confirmed that the tower will NOT be 1,776 feet, unless somehow the antenna will be an exception...
"After coming onto the project in 2010, The Durst Organization had proposed eliminating the radome to save costs but was rejected by the Port Authority's previous executive director, Chris Ward. His September 2011 replacement, Patrick Foye has changed the Port Authority's position. The decision is final as stated by Douglas Durst: "(the antenna) is going to be mounted on the building over the summer. There's no way to do anything at this point."
Wheres your source ?
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Chibear85, stop posting old crap that wasn't even recently confirmed. That was from an article over 2 months ago, seriously don't start getting people angry over something that isnt even officially confirmed. People, it
's not confirmed so please don't listen to this.
It is confirmed and Chibears has proven it. Just because it is 2 months old doesn't mean it is not true. Douglas Durst certainly knows what he's talking about and if he said the stick will be definitely an antenna, not a spire, I believe him. It's as official as it can be

Btw, I thought the steel meets in a perfect square at the top of the parapet, not below it?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #35116
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I'm from the UK and will be in New York for 10 days early August. I'm excited to see the progress when I visit the memorial.

Anyone else going over the summer and looking forward to it?

This will be the 3rd time I've seen One World Trade under construction... July '09, September '10 and August '12. Hopefully it will be topped out by the time I see it next month!
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Lets wait until the official ruling and not our individual bias.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #35118
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Btw, here is his source, it's the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...619775032.html

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Mr. Durst said he raised the issue over maintenance concerns again. Skidmore Owings & Merrill resisted, saying the worries were overblown, according to people familiar with the matter, but the Port Authority in January sided with Mr. Durst, he said.

Asked whether architects could find a compromise design, Mr. Durst demurred. The scaled-down top, he said, "is going to be mounted on the building over the summer. There's no way to do anything at this point."
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Old July 17th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #35119
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This photo should explain everything (Ignore the green lines). Go to page 1,728. I can't copy it for some reason...
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Old July 17th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #35120
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