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Old July 20th, 2012, 12:15 AM   #35321
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Old July 20th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #35322
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By me, July 12, 2012
1. From top of ESB
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Old July 20th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #35323
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Old July 20th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #35324
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Ugh! I can't wait for it to be topped out (completely) already. Way too impatient here !

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Old July 20th, 2012, 02:32 AM   #35325
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So the parapet will not have the same slope as the slanted part of the building?
Will it look like this? (Very exaggerated)

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everyones confusing me
Yes, that is how it will look.

As far as the picture where the parapet is bent, that picture is around 7 years old. You can tell because the spire on that diagram is the original spire design that preceded the shell-encased one, so it is extremely likely it can be incorrect, which it is. Also, the old communications ring is shown rather than the newer design. We have discussed recent diagrams and renderings that show a vertical parapet.

And thanks again Kanto, that would make sense as far as the purpose of the bent beam.

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Old July 20th, 2012, 02:40 AM   #35326
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But the whole entire parapet structure isn't bent, it's only the corner connection nodes which partially bend about a 3rd of the way up the piece of the perimeter node column.
And which render are you speaking of? The one on the top of this page? Lol that is not 7 years old that is probably only 1 year old or even less, and it shows the antenna that was inside the radome enclosure, which was spoken of back in may. Also that was made by Otie.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 02:47 AM   #35327
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Ugh! I can't wait for it to be topped out (completely) already. Way too impatient here !
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Old July 20th, 2012, 02:48 AM   #35328
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it should be because the other columns for the parapet are slanted.

By angled do you mean slanted or bent?

According to this picture its bent.
Yes I mean bent, that's what angled means! bent, slanted, same thing
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:04 AM   #35329
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:11 AM   #35330
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Fantastic photos autumn. 1 and 4 WTC look better every single day, and I have extremely high hopes for 2 and 3 WTC given how incredible 1 and 4 look.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:13 AM   #35331
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In reference to those talking about the parapet being bent some, you can see that the steel columns on that truck are bent in slightly
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:14 AM   #35332
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autumnriver, that last shot from Jersey, brilliant
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:15 AM   #35333
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The solution to the panel "problem" has existed since the new design for 1 WTC was unveiled in 2005. I present to you the original design for the antenna enclosure:



Thanks to NY Guy at SSP for posting the rendering. I had been trying to find it for a few days but no luck.
Are you talking about this post, CN? The spire here is the exact same as on that recent diagram, and the corner nodes are slightly bent here as well. The only thing different is the communications ring, which is different in every single render. It also says that this is the original spire design from before 2005, so I don't understand how you can laugh and call me out like I am an idiot. It's ridiculous how many diagrams and renderings I have brought up that are much more recent than this one and the one billgates posted that clearly show a vertical parapet. And as chris 123678 said, you can even see the bent beams on the truck.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:40 AM   #35334
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The steel on the truck is a perimeter node... that's why it's bent.
And the pic you just posted looks nothing like the current antenna design...
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:53 AM   #35335
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If it was a corner node, the only bent beam there would be according to your angled parapet theory, it would be a straight triplecolumn beam like the one that was hoisted yesterday, not a single bent beam. The picture you just posted shows that the parapet isn't bent because the crease near the corner nodes is straight throughout, not bent inward at the top.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 03:58 AM   #35336
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That is the same corner node that was posted yesterday, if you look at the earthcam pics that were posted recently it is the exact same 18wheeler and it is in the exact same position as it was on the earthcam.
The corner nodes are the only perimeter columns that are partially bented inward are because if they were all angled straight up then the cladding would have no closure room to come to a tip (point) at the top of the cladding, it is tilted so the cladding and shiny silver parts can close off and not come to a straight not aligned point.
The bend of the parapet will not be seen when the cladding is applied at the top...
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Old July 20th, 2012, 04:06 AM   #35337
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Old July 20th, 2012, 04:11 AM   #35338
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You are correct, I apologize. I didn't realise that this was the same triplecolumn from yesterday. So it bends in slightly as well. However, it is such a minor bend at the very tip, this isn't nearly enough of a bend to compensate for the angle of the angled parapet beams. So what I am thinking now is that the parapet beams excluding the corner nodes are bent outward somewhat, but not to the point of a perfect 90 degrees perpendicular to the ground. It is more of an act of meeting in the middle. So I guess we were both correct somewhat.
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Old July 20th, 2012, 04:12 AM   #35339
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The steel on the truck is a perimeter node... that's why it's bent.
And the pic you just posted looks nothing like the current antenna design...
(Picture by Otie)
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Just curious Otie, but how do you know for sure that that is the what the actual antenna will look like? i have a doubt it will
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Old July 20th, 2012, 04:15 AM   #35340
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So starting from July 16th, 18 Working Days from now will be August 9th, when I am assuming the official topping out will occur.
Here is a quote from the council's site.

"A building is considered to be "Topped Out" when it is under construction, and has reached its full height both structurally and architecturally (e.g., including its spires, parapets, etc)."

I interpret this statement this way :
If the top beams sit on top of the highest columns in place right now then the structure won't be topped out until the first beam is placed. If the beams don't sit on top then it was topped out when the first column was in place.

Like the groundbreaking ceremony on most projects that doesn't coincide with the actual breaking of the ground, the topping out ceremony held after all of the highest beams or columns are in place is not the official time the structure was topped out.

Just my take on the statement of 'topped out' from the council.


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