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Old September 6th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #36881
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^Durst never liked the idea of the Freedom Tower,so I guess he wouldn't mind making the tower look ugly by stripping an important aesthetic of the tower so he can save $20 million.

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In February 2007, Douglas Durst was no fan of the Freedom Tower. The prominent landlord broadcast this view not only to his peers but to everyone: He took out full-page ads in the city’s major papers with an open letter to then governor Eliot Spitzer asking him to halt construction of the 1,776-foot tower at the World Trade Center....Mr. Durst has had a change in heart. With the tower now more than 200 feet off the ground, he is one of four bidders vying to buy a stake of the building.......the Port Authority is choosing between Mr. Durst’s the Durst Organization, Mort Zuckerman’s Boston Properties, Stephen Ross’ Related Companies and Hines Interests, each of which have offered about $100 million for a non-traditional equity stake in the tower.
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As you can see,once Durst saw the opportunities of the tower,that's when he got to "like" the tower.Also,it made sense for the PA to get Durst to make One World Trade Center more financially sound.

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Old September 6th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #36882
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Not putting the architectural casing on the antenna is going to save them $20 million.
Uh yea, and the whole project cost over 3 billion, 20 million is pocket change.

That's light building a mansion then not installing windows because they cost a few extra bucks


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Old September 6th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #36883
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I too seriously hope the CTBUH deems this stick to be an antenna. If the news media catches on that the beloved Freedumb Tower is not actually 1776 ft. tall (by any measure!), after all the hype and advertising, perhaps it will whip up a PR shitstorm powerful enough to convince Durst to pull his head out of his ass for a hot second.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 07:16 PM   #36884
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It was explained in this thread already. The spire exterior was scrapped to save the mentioned 20mil not for cleaning difficulties. If it was for the later it wouldn't be in the final design in the first place.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 08:30 PM   #36885
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They need to be closer together!


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If only they built two! Beautiful!
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Old September 6th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #36886
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I too seriously hope the CTBUH deems this stick to be an antenna. If the news media catches on that the beloved Freedumb Tower is not actually 1776 ft. tall (by any measure!), after all the hype and advertising, perhaps it will whip up a PR shitstorm powerful enough to convince Durst to pull his head out of his ass for a hot second.
You don't like 1WTC?I'm just curious.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 09:08 PM   #36887
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Uh yea, and the whole project cost over 3 billion, 20 million is pocket change.

That's light building a mansion then not installing windows because they cost a few extra bucks
But Durst isn't responsible for 1WTC,so he didn't have to pay $3 billion.He's only responsible for the antenna,and that's where he saved $20 million.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 09:23 PM   #36888
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You don't like 1WTC?I'm just curious.
where in his comment did he say anything that would even remotely suggest he doesn't like 1wtc?
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Old September 6th, 2012, 10:12 PM   #36889
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I too seriously hope the CTBUH deems this stick to be an antenna. If the news media catches on that the beloved Freedumb Tower is not actually 1776 ft. tall (by any measure!), after all the hype and advertising, perhaps it will whip up a PR shitstorm powerful enough to convince Durst to pull his head out of his ass for a hot second.
I couldn't of said it any better!
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Old September 6th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #36890
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it's just about 1776 ft by pinnacle height, so the media will call it 1776 ft, and the PA and Durst will call it 1776 ft. I don't see the big deal. The CTBUH can rule it 1372 ft or whatever by their system but it will still be widely thought of as a 1776 ft tall building with it's antenna-spire.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #36891
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So the people who like the antenna have no say in this?
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Old September 6th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #36892
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So the people who like the antenna have no say in this?
It's a question of whether or not antenna's should be included in official heights. Not whether you "like" it. If we include 1WTC's, we'll need to reconsider a lot of other buildings around the world. There's also the danger that other developers will start sticking antenna's on the tops of their buildings just to get bragging rights.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #36893
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You don't like 1WTC?I'm just curious.
I love 1WTC between floor 20 and the roof.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:15 PM   #36894
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I too seriously hope the CTBUH deems this stick to be an antenna. If the news media catches on that the beloved Freedumb Tower is not actually 1776 ft. tall (by any measure!), after all the hype and advertising, perhaps it will whip up a PR shitstorm powerful enough to convince Durst to pull his head out of his ass for a hot second.
Pinnacle at lest 1 wtc will be 1792, if some one where to climb up the antenna to the top of the lighting rod ,that person will be 1792 feet up in the air.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:39 PM   #36895
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Please stop with that stupid comparising with the old WTC complex. It is done so many times now...
It's not stupid. What's stupid is not at least building twin towers instead of one standing alone. .
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:41 PM   #36896
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It's not stupid. What's stupid is not at least building twin towers instead of one standing alone. .
its not like it goings to stand alone when all the towers are done
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:42 PM   #36897
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Bleh,stop it please.The old WTC has been gone for almost 11 years,move on.
We will but we will not forget how much better it used to look no matter how much you kid yourself.
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Old September 6th, 2012, 11:55 PM   #36898
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Some pics of 1WTC taken during my vacation in NYC (may 2012).

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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #36899
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It's a question of whether or not antenna's should be included in official heights. Not whether you "like" it. If we include 1WTC's, we'll need to reconsider a lot of other buildings around the world. There's also the danger that other developers will start sticking antenna's on the tops of their buildings just to get bragging rights.
Just look at the New York Times Building. Look how that caught on. People always have, are, or will try to earn bragging rights. That needle was counted. I can imagine that the CTBUH will make an exception like "This has been determined to be a spire because of the architectural beacon design and..." And don't tell me that it's not still a part of the architectural design.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #36900
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Just look at the New York Times Building. Look how that caught on. People always have, are, or will try to earn bragging rights. That needle was counted. I can imagine that the CTBUH will make an exception like "This has been determined to be a spire because of the architectural beacon design and..." And don't tell me that it's not still a part of the architectural design.
I won't mind if CTBUH counts 1WTC antenna as a spire, so long as they recalculate other building heights (ie 4 Times Square).

I don't have a problem with spires counting in buildings final heights. But these quasi-antenna/spire things are gonna open a can of worms.
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