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Old September 8th, 2012, 05:12 PM   #36941
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Old September 8th, 2012, 06:43 PM   #36942
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Old September 8th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #36943
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The fair rankings should be:
1wtc
esb
one57
4wtc
citigroup
chrysler
boa
8 spruce st
trump
40 wall st
You cant just stick an antenna onto a building and make it the tallest.
By roof it should be:
1WTC
ESB
One57
4WTC
BOA
Citigroup
40 Wall
8 Spruce
Trump
GE
AIG


And whenever I really want to compare to see which is "tallest," I use this system. We'll compare the new 1WTC to Sears.

1. Pinnacle Height - 1WTC
2. Standard Height - 1WTC
3. Roof Height - Sears
4. Floor Count - Sears
5. Highest Occupiable Floor: Sears.

Sears 3 vs. 2 1WTC

Sears wins.
Try it. It works really well.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #36944
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I just consider 1 WTC the tallest by pinnacle, and Sears the tallest in actual building height, and top floor height
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Old September 8th, 2012, 11:45 PM   #36945
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Anyone know why there was only 1 tribute light on last night??

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Old September 9th, 2012, 12:20 AM   #36946
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I've decided to model all of the office floors. I've only finished the exterior steel, excluding splices.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #36947
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Anyone know why there was only 1 tribute light on last night??
I heard that they were just testing the lights at the moment. They could have been working out some problems.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 03:07 AM   #36948
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are all the spandrels been installed?

or are they waiting until september 11 to install them all?
My best guess is that the final four spandrel beams will be installed on 9/11/12. They could have easily found the time to install them by now, so I'm guessing that they're waiting to install them on a significant date to maximize attention. This way, they can say the building "topped out" on the 11th anniversary.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 03:46 AM   #36949
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Carlos V had 2 lights on his update, but that's at a forum he doesn't wish to share here.. All I can say is they both were lit, bright, and thousands of feet in the sky.. I would never repost it due, his problems with SSP,, Just check out SSC pg 1330.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 04:38 AM   #36950
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As for the beams of light. From some angles the two beams are in line so looks like one beam. If they are still set up on the top level of the carpark south of the WTC site I recall the beams orientated that when I went down to Battery Park near the Sphere sculpture they looked like a single beam. I'm half a world away so you can see better than me : )


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Old September 9th, 2012, 04:41 AM   #36951
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Most New Yorkers don't really pay attention to or care about architecture nearly as much as people on these forums do. Over exaggerating much?



Same here. And I'm sure lots of New Yorkers did too. They were an icon of the city; hell I still see them everywhere on delivery trucks, signs, taxi cabs, like they were still standing.

Oh...and you know what 'most New Yorkers' thought pre-Sept11th 2001, do you ? Did you ask them all ?

I'm basing my statement on what people actually said during their reign over Manhattan for the quarter century they were up. There was a running joke amongst New Yorkers that they were 'the boxes that the Empire State and Chrysler buildings arrived in'. I watched countless news reports on that day and the following days that frequently alluded to the fact that the twin towers were basically an eyesore in the eyes of the natives. Respected, yes...loved...no.

As for the delivery trucks etc.... I'll bet a months wages that none of them carried the twin towers images before they were destroyed.

You can't beat a bit of jingoism.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 04:51 AM   #36952
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they've always been an icon and they were in fact loved post 9/11
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Old September 9th, 2012, 06:09 AM   #36953
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Anyone know why there was only 1 tribute light on last night??

No there were two on last night, I saw them in the city.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 06:17 AM   #36954
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Oh...and you know what 'most New Yorkers' thought pre-Sept11th 2001, do you ? Did you ask them all ?

I'm basing my statement on what people actually said during their reign over Manhattan for the quarter century they were up. There was a running joke amongst New Yorkers that they were 'the boxes that the Empire State and Chrysler buildings arrived in'. I watched countless news reports on that day and the following days that frequently alluded to the fact that the twin towers were basically an eyesore in the eyes of the natives. Respected, yes...loved...no.

As for the delivery trucks etc.... I'll bet a months wages that none of them carried the twin towers images before they were destroyed.

You can't beat a bit of jingoism.
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I've heard that saying quite a lot...the reason the Twins were known was because of its simple design,and they even became more known because of 9/11.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 07:13 AM   #36955
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I've heard that saying quite a lot...the reason the Twins were known was because of its simple design,and they even became more known because of 9/11.
Certainly those who actually found the original WTC complex to be aesthetically pleasing (removed from the context of 9/11) were and are still in the minority. I am definitely one of the stronger voices in that minority. In terms of overall style, I'd say its closest relative is the Embarcadero Center in San Francisco (respected but not loved).

Imagine if the terrorists had destroyed the Empire State Building or the Chrysler Building; do you really think we'd have a "freedom tower" then? New Yorkers most certainly would have wanted them back the way they were, with minor alterations at worst.
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Old September 9th, 2012, 07:20 AM   #36956
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Must be a 49/51 minority then...
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Old September 9th, 2012, 09:50 AM   #36957
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Oh...and you know what 'most New Yorkers' thought pre-Sept11th 2001, do you ? Did you ask them all ?

I'm basing my statement on what people actually said during their reign over Manhattan for the quarter century they were up. There was a running joke amongst New Yorkers that they were 'the boxes that the Empire State and Chrysler buildings arrived in'. I watched countless news reports on that day and the following days that frequently alluded to the fact that the twin towers were basically an eyesore in the eyes of the natives. Respected, yes...loved...no.

As for the delivery trucks etc.... I'll bet a months wages that none of them carried the twin towers images before they were destroyed.

You can't beat a bit of jingoism.
Actually I do know, because I was a resident of the city before 9/11, all the way back to 1985. I even worked in an office in the original 1WTC so yes I do know what people thought of them, and quite frankly, you're still overexaggerating. Not everyone liked them, most were indifferent, some were impressed and loved them, who cares?

Those silhouettes were icons of the city even before 9/11. It wasn't even delivery trucks, it didn't even have to be in NYC, because it was instantly recognizable everywhere you went. Even as early as the mid 70s. When was this film released? 1979.

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Old September 9th, 2012, 10:33 AM   #36958
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From a 'World' perpective New York has always had the ESB and Chrysler as foremost icons yet even before 9/11 the twin towers of the WTC stamped a non scripted skyline as definitive New York........just sayin. As a kid I always imagined visiting New York one day and going to the ESB.....but seeing I was there also visited the WTC and both observation decks. My heart loved the ESB but I was amazed at the rooftop WTC 2 deck. Nothing then or since.....or looks like the replacement will out do that experience..........amazing !
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Old September 9th, 2012, 11:02 AM   #36959
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Let's take this discussion to the WTC forum, no sense in clogging up this thread with those posts.

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Old September 9th, 2012, 03:12 PM   #36960
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I seem to always to trick myself in thinking there are twins or will be... I wished they built 1 and 2 simultaneity and put the rest on hold.
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