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Old September 15th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #37141
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Old September 15th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #37142
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Only for the past 800 years since the middle ages,that spires have been counted for a building height,some people should just get over it and accepted that that's the way things are .
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Only for the past 800 years since the middle ages,that spires have been counted for a building


In the middle ages they didn't have skyscrapers, the tallest buildings were churches or cathedrals, they had steeples, which were part of the buildings structure not thin pieces of steel that sit on the roof called a spire(antennae)
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Old September 15th, 2012, 11:18 PM   #37143
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Thea antenna/spire will probably count for height anyway, because of the decorative light on top.
CTBUH : Well, we weren't going to count the antennae, but then we figured out they were adding a light to the top....


Do you realize how absurd that sounds ? A small light is the difference between 130 meters, and 0 meters! There seems to be 0 reasoning behind this. If I add a decorative light to the ESB antennae, it suddenly is taller then 1 wtc based off that logic, makes sense right....
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Old September 15th, 2012, 11:24 PM   #37144
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Because in the case of 1wtc, the spire enclosed the antenna.

Most people,if not all, stop at the roof and don't look at the top of the spire.

The spire still has to be mounted to the building just like an antenna, I don't see much of a difference.
ok it doesn't really matter what people think or if they think the spire is part of the building or not, its all down to the people (i forgot the name) who decide the height.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 12:04 AM   #37145
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Old September 16th, 2012, 02:07 AM   #37146
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Thea antenna/spire will probably count for height anyway, because of the decorative light on top.
NO the Antenna won't count,, read the definition between a spire and an antenna,, Plenty of bldgs hjave antennas with lights,,, that means absolutely NOTHING.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 02:13 AM   #37147
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Seriously stop with the antenna or spire shit. Don't say oh it does count, oh it doesn't count, we will find out if it counts or not when the building is completed so can we just all stop with this crap. It's seriously getting old, GRR
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Old September 16th, 2012, 02:51 AM   #37148
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Seriously stop with the antenna or spire shit. Don't say oh it does count, oh it doesn't count, we will find out if it counts or not when the building is completed so can we just all stop with this crap. It's seriously getting old, GRR

Chill out, this will most likely continue until a descison is reached,
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Old September 16th, 2012, 02:57 AM   #37149
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Chill out, this will most likely continue until a descison is reached,
I dont need to chill out, im not mad..sorry for saying a bad word..didn't realize i was in pre-school, but anyway, theirs no point in continuing this discussion because it won't matter what anyone says or thinks except for the people deciding it.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 03:33 AM   #37150
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I dont need to chill out, im not mad..sorry for saying a bad word..didn't realize i was in pre-school, but anyway, theirs no point in continuing this discussion because it won't matter what anyone says or thinks except for the people deciding it.
Look, the only thing left to talk about is the spire and the base so you'll just have to deal with it.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 03:38 AM   #37151
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Look, the only thing left to talk about is the spire and the base so you'll just have to deal with it.
yes, spire assembly, not debating whether its an antenna or not.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 03:51 AM   #37152
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About the comparison between the safety of the old and new towers, I have to say you are all pretty right. The twins were some of the first all steel buildings with an inner core and open floor plan. Despite the ultimate demise of the buildings on that day, thousands of lives below the impact zones were saved by the redundant design. In hindsight, we can say it had inferior fireproofing, or week steel, but they could have never seen a 737 revving it's engines coming towards the tower. The north tower survived a 6 floor fire in 1975 and a bombing in 1993. On 9-11 the towers held their own with gaping holes as the furniture and office equipment within was ignited and the overloaded steel softened and failed. After the momentum was created the force was powerful enough to pulverize concrete into dust.

To answer what would happen to the tower if the tower was attacked similarly, the damage would be horrible on a human scale. Like the 1993 bombing, it would be repaired one way or another. I doubt it will ever happen again though. I'd like to think that most Americans would sacrifice themselves before they would let their plane be used for such an atrocity.

As with a lot of tragic lessons, thousands of lives are lost before we see how naive we were before, be it 9-11, the Holocaust, the atom bombs over Japan, Chernobyl, the World Wars, Vietnam, or many other lessons. This tower is the combination of what we learned on a very dark day at the expense of thousands of lives.
I think the main lesson we learn is that 9/11 can be compared to Pearl Harbor where the US wasn't vigilant enough for enemies foreign and domestic. Tonight I watched a special on WTC1 and The Memorial that went into considerable detail on security precautions for the tower. Did anyone know they have a special air filtering system? But nothing can stop an atomic bomb which is why nations must be prevented from obtaining more of them.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 04:06 AM   #37153
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I think the main lesson we learn is that 9/11 can be compared to Pearl Harbor where the US wasn't vigilant enough for enemies foreign and domestic. Tonight I watched a special on WTC1 and The Memorial that went into considerable detail on security precautions for the tower. Did anyone know they have a special air filtering system? But nothing can stop an atomic bomb which is why nations must be prevented from obtaining more of them.
Wow where was that program?? and Is it on the WEB??? Sounds interesting..
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Old September 16th, 2012, 04:34 AM   #37154
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Wow where was that program?? and Is it on the WEB??? Sounds interesting..
Tonight's NOVA had an hour-long show with great stats and pictures. The glass cladding the concrete 180' base was originally developed here and sent to China for a prism channeling, then bonded to a flat sheet of glass making it about 2" thick. They tested it with a small sledge and the pieces rained dangerous shards. Back to the drawing board...

The special air filtration system WTC1 is having fitted is proof against chemical and biological agents: see "Skyscrapers" by Judith Dupré.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 05:16 AM   #37155
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Old September 16th, 2012, 05:46 AM   #37156
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This being the same as the render! much better in reality!

I love this tower, the tower of hope and remembrance.

New york fantastic job!
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Old September 16th, 2012, 06:18 AM   #37157
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Because in the case of 1wtc, the spire enclosed the antenna.

Most people,if not all, stop at the roof and don't look at the top of the spire.

The spire still has to be mounted to the building just like an antenna, I don't see much of a difference.
A spire is an architectural part of the building. Antennas, masts, flag poles etc serve other purposes and can be easily removed/adjusted.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 06:41 AM   #37158
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The spire vs. antenna and will it count thing is getting old. People have been talking about 'Will it count?' since I first joined 3 MONTHS AGO! Its time to let it rest and just get on with other things about the WTC, like the base cladding or something.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 07:35 AM   #37159
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The spire vs. antenna and will it count thing is getting old. People have been talking about 'Will it count?' since I first joined 3 MONTHS AGO! Its time to let it rest and just get on with other things about the WTC, like the base cladding or something.
The spire vs antenna thing has been going on for the last 14 years (at least). Get used to it, cause it's never going away.
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Old September 16th, 2012, 08:24 AM   #37160
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