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Old September 26th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #37461
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And since I cannot take a picture from here, this is what the tower looks like from Kingda Ka at Six Flags Great Adventure in Jackson, NJ. Exactly 45 miles. My favorite view of the tower

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Can you really see lower Manhattan from the top of Kingda Ka?!? Never been on it yet so you could be right. Thats crazy!
Let me ask you this as well, can you see Philadelphia and the Liberty and Comcast buildings from the same vantage point but looking southwest or are they a little too low on the horizon? I know that near Washingtons Crossing and 95 in Mercer County just north of Trenton you can make out Center City Philadelphia before going over the bridge and that is a good 25 or more miles from Philly.
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Old September 26th, 2012, 11:37 PM   #37462
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your talking about the base right? aren't they using different glass and squaring off the base?
The original glass panels were to be cut at a slant to give a prismatic effect to the surrounding "lobby." it looked beautiful and not like the bunker mentality the 180' base I pictured. They were having problems getting the lower glass panels manufactured, though they were first made here before being shipped to China where they were specially cut at angles and bond to flat sheets, making the glass panel 2" thick.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #37463
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Can you really see lower Manhattan from the top of Kingda Ka?!? Never been on it yet so you could be right. Thats crazy!
Let me ask you this as well, can you see Philadelphia and the Liberty and Comcast buildings from the same vantage point but looking southwest or are they a little too low on the horizon? I know that near Washingtons Crossing and 95 in Mercer County just north of Trenton you can make out Center City Philadelphia before going over the bridge and that is a good 25 or more miles from Philly.
Yes you can easily see NYC from most of the rides from Six Flags, took me 10 times riding it to actually find it lol. And absolutely yes, Philadelphia can easily be seen from there. Its actuallly closer to there than NYC, its the only place besides an airplane where you can see the distance between the two cities. However, One World Trade is best viewed from El Toro since you have more time to look.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:05 AM   #37464
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firstly, you don't have to tell me what i'm thinking of, i already know thanks.

secondly, you site the beacon with a photo of the OLD spire that is no longer part of the tower. are there any photos of the beacon on the new antenna???

thirdly, even if a 'beacon' is added on the antenna, it does not change the fact the empire state building, or any building with an antenna, could do the exact same thing, and change the official height (again there is no way that is going to happen).

fourthly, even if the 'beacon' is considered an architectural element, it doesn't change the fact that it is sitting on top of an antenna, which is not!!!

i dont even know why i am arguing about this. you can believe what you want to believe. only time will tell (prove you wrong)
Why do you care, I'm not the only one who thinks this. There are many poctures of the beacon in the warehouse but I can't seem to find it.......

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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:15 AM   #37465
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Is there something that rustles your jimmies about the new 1WTC being only as tall as the original?
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #37466
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:41 AM   #37467
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Thats a great Picture. But I miss the old skyline of Lower Manhattan :-(
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:48 AM   #37468
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According to Otie, it's a guyed mast.

I'm not sure if a mast is included or not or if their is a difference between an antenna and a mast.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:56 AM   #37469
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This simply looks amazing!!!!
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Old September 27th, 2012, 12:56 AM   #37470
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Chicago has only four (Sears, Hancock, Aon, and Trump).
Do your research next time!

Chicago:

1. Sears Tower - RH - 442m/P - 527/CTBUH - 442m

2. Trump - RH - 356/P - 423/CTBUH - 423m

3. Aon Center - RH - 346/P - 346/CTBUH - 346m

4. John Hancock Center - RH - 344/P - 457/CTBUH - 344

5. Franklin Center - RH - 270/P - 307/CTBUH - 307

6. 2 Prudential Plaza - RH - 279/P - 303/CTBUH - 303

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New York City:

1.1WTC - RH - 417/P - 541/CTBUH - 417*

2.ESB - RH - 381/P - 443/CTBUH - 381

3.BofA - RH - 288 /P - 366 /CTBUH - 366

4.Chrysler - RH - 282/P - 319/CTBUH - 319

5.NYTB - RH - 228/P - 319/CTBUH - 319


So NYC has 2 buildings above 300m, without cheating, while Chicago has 4.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 01:00 AM   #37471
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Chicago has only four (Sears, Hancock, Aon, and Trump).
+ AT&T Corporate Center and Two Prudential Center, both of which are over 300m tall. Oddly, the office market in Chicago isn't as terrible as many think but a new supertall could be a long ways off.


And I agree with Otie that the antenna will be a guyed mast and should not be counted in the final height. But that won't stop writers and observers using the symbolic "1776 ft" figure when describing 1WTC's height...
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Old September 27th, 2012, 01:51 AM   #37472
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Why do people keep referring to "official" height?

In my opinion, there is no such thing. Everyone is free to offer their opinion and methodology for calculating height. There is no governing body that has any form of official authority on this. Sure, there is an organization that is commonly cited. But their opinion is no more official than the opinion of anyone else.

When the CTBUH height is quoted, it is just that, the CTBUH height. It is no more official than the official dfiler height. In other words, it is more logical to say "CTBUH height" rather than "official height".
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Old September 27th, 2012, 01:58 AM   #37473
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True, but every one want's their opinion to be vindicated .
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Old September 27th, 2012, 02:09 AM   #37474
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Why do people keep referring to "official" height?

In my opinion, there is no such thing. Everyone is free to offer their opinion and methodology for calculating height. There is no governing body that has any form of official authority on this. Sure, there is an organization that is commonly cited. But their opinion is no more official than the opinion of anyone else.

When the CTBUH height is quoted, it is just that, the CTBUH height. It is no more official than the official dfiler height. In other words, it is more logical to say "CTBUH height" rather than "official height".
Exactly, that is why I gave 3 different heights on my post above, but I am guessing you weren't talking to me, right ?
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Old September 27th, 2012, 02:29 AM   #37475
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+ AT&T Corporate Center and Two Prudential Center, both of which are over 300m
their roofs are under 300m. They exceed 300m only when you count the sticks on their roofs. No one regards 1 WTC as 1776 feet tall.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 02:33 AM   #37476
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their roofs are under 300m. They exceed 300m only when you count the sticks on their roofs. No one regards 1 WTC as 1776 feet tall.
some still do on this forum, im still undecided, but out of this forum people who actually care about skyscrapers think its going to be 1776 ft
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Old September 27th, 2012, 03:15 AM   #37477
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+ AT&T Corporate Center and Two Prudential Center, both of which are over 300m tall. Oddly, the office market in Chicago isn't as terrible as many think but a new supertall could be a long ways off.


And I agree with Otie that the antenna will be a guyed mast and should not be counted in the final height. But that won't stop writers and observers using the symbolic "1776 ft" figure when describing 1WTC's height...
Yeah, Chicago has several buildings either proposed or UC that are near or over 200m. It has a possible supertall, with the Wolf Point proposal. The Wolf Point Towers are part office, the Crown 220m tower is all office, the approved river point 200m tower is all office, it has others as well. Chicago's office market seems to be improving at a good pace. The apartment market seems to be the best in both NYC and Chicago though...
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Old September 27th, 2012, 03:19 AM   #37478
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some still do on this forum, im still undecided, but out of this forum people who actually care about skyscrapers think its going to be 1776 ft
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out of this forum people who actually care about skyscrapers think its going to be 1776 ft
LOL, a bit of a hasty generalization don't you think ?

Based off that, Otie and Desert Punk don't "actually care about skyscrapers"!
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Old September 27th, 2012, 03:21 AM   #37479
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their roofs are under 300m. They exceed 300m only when you count the sticks on their roofs. No one regards 1 WTC as 1776 feet tall.
True, but besides 1 WTC, ESB is the only 300m+ building in NYC by roof height, but you said that NYC had 6.
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Old September 27th, 2012, 03:34 AM   #37480
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True, but besides 1 WTC, ESB is the only 300m+ building in NYC by roof height, but you said that NYC had 6.
Chrysler

One 57

432 park

Coach Tower

All exist or are uc and have roofs -- not sticks on their roofs -- which exceed 300m.
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