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Old February 21st, 2008, 11:19 PM   #3761
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Wouldnt of just been easier to dig out the divider between the 2 tubs insted of doing 2 walls where there didnt have to be one? Its probally because of the new road that goes on top. But isnt there a road right on top of that corridor to the WFC?
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 12:07 AM   #3762
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I plan to visit New York, but that will be after FT construction i really want to see this when it gets finished. I never got to see the old WTC with my own eyes ( and it was something that i wanted ... ), i hope to see the new when it gets built
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 12:28 AM   #3763
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Wouldnt of just been easier to dig out the divider between the 2 tubs insted of doing 2 walls where there didnt have to be one? Its probally because of the new road that goes on top. But isnt there a road right on top of that corridor to the WFC?
I've wondered the same thing. I believe they are doing some work underground between the two walls, but I'm not sure what exactly they are doing. Maybe somebody can fill us in.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 01:41 AM   #3764
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I've wondered the same thing. I believe they are doing some work underground between the two walls, but I'm not sure what exactly they are doing. Maybe somebody can fill us in.
No can do. That's the subway line running through there. More trouble than it would be worth.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 02:25 AM   #3765
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 06:39 AM   #3766
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im from the other side of the world and VERY far from New York, but just wanted to ask, is there still a public perception amongst locals that the WTC site is 'hallowed ground'? Because i am imagining, if I lived or worked near that place, I would never quite come to grips with the scale and intensity of the catastrophe that took place on that very spot... regardless of how spectacular and bold the plans for its future are
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 06:56 AM   #3767
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im from the other side of the world and VERY far from New York, but just wanted to ask, is there still a public perception amongst locals that the WTC site is 'hallowed ground'? Because i am imagining, if I lived or worked near that place, I would never quite come to grips with the scale and intensity of the catastrophe that took place on that very spot... regardless of how spectacular and bold the plans for its future are
From my friends in the area, that's exactly the case. Many, especially those whose family members and friends were killed in the attacks, would rather it be left as a memorial, but realize that this is simply not feasible in Lower Manhattan, where the land is needed for other uses. It seems that it's just a part of living in a place like New York, where the rules are just a little bit different than most other places.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 10:46 AM   #3768
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Wouldnt of just been easier to dig out the divider between the 2 tubs insted of doing 2 walls where there didnt have to be one? Its probally because of the new road that goes on top. But isnt there a road right on top of that corridor to the WFC?
That's exactly what they are planning to do. They'll put piles underneath the subway which is running between the tubs and than excavate the area and demolish the slurry wall. Unfortunately the underpinning didn't progressed as well as the Port Authorities hoped so they build a temporary slurry wall with secant wall along the perimeter of tower 3 & 4. This way the PA where able to handover the sites for tower 3 & 4 without the delays due to the underpinning and the excavation of the subway.

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Old February 22nd, 2008, 06:27 PM   #3769
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From my friends in the area, that's exactly the case. Many, especially those whose family members and friends were killed in the attacks, would rather it be left as a memorial, but realize that this is simply not feasible in Lower Manhattan, where the land is needed for other uses. It seems that it's just a part of living in a place like New York, where the rules are just a little bit different than most other places.
I think London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Paris and many European cities center curry the same rule. It is very sad why the Port Authority can't just find another piece of land or landfill some new land....just leave WTC site as memorial as a whole. But I do happy with what they do with the site right now, the memorial look good and respectful.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 06:35 PM   #3770
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Judging from the bottom pic above, looks like the floors are now being put in for the basement / garage.

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Old February 23rd, 2008, 12:48 AM   #3771
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:06 AM   #3772
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These vertical columns around the core outline the space that the skycraper will "fill" ?
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:12 AM   #3773
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Kinda interesting.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/finan.../D8UVI4IO2.htm

February 22, 2008, 2:25PM ET
Long journey of Freedom Tower steel
By AMY WESTFELDT

The steel bound for the Freedom Tower at ground zero travels thousands of miles, from a plant in Luxembourg where columns are rolled through casting machines at temperatures approaching 2,340 degrees.

Scrap metal melted into liquid steel in an electric furnace is cast, heated, cooled and heated again at the ArcelorMittal steel mill in Differdange.

The steel makes its way to a plant in Virginia where the huge columns are cut to size. Eventually, it is shipped to New York City, where the columns are lifted by crane and painstakingly set on top of each other at ground zero.

The jumbo steel columns -- foot by foot, ton by ton -- are forming the skeleton of the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, designed just after the 2001 attacks to replace the destroyed World Trade Center. Each column makes a 4,700-mile journey, taking weeks and sometimes months to arrive at ground zero.

Jim Brown, a steelworker at the Virginia factory, sees the symbolism in each column.

"It stands for something. It represents something. It represents strength," Brown said. "You can tear down a building, but you can't tear down the spirit of people."

Steel for the Freedom Tower comes first from Luxembourg, location of one of the world's only plants that builds columns of that size.

Poured into an H-shaped mold, the steel passes through a continuous casting machine in Differdange, cooled, cut down and reheated while engineers work at computers in distant control rooms.

The first shipment left Europe in 2006; some 9,400 tons have been ordered so far from ArcelorMittal. Nearly 50,000 tons will be needed to build the 102-story tower.

About two weeks later, the steel arrives at New Jersey or Virginia ports and are trucked to Banker Steel in Lynchburg, Va., where Brown is waiting.

Fabricated with base plates to connect the pieces and milled so that the ends are completely flat, the steel leaves Virginia, stopping at a New Jersey trucking yard before making the last leg of the trip to the trade center site.

The first Freedom Tower columns to rise at the end of 2006 were painted white, bearing signatures of ironworkers, New Yorkers and family members of Sept. 11 victims. They are gone from view now, covered with concrete.

The current columns -- plain brown, with quality codes scrawled on their ends -- are surrounded by hundreds of slender steel rods, trailers and hundreds of Tishman Construction Corp. workers. Meanwhile, commuter trains snake through the site every few minutes.

Last month, six columns came from New Jersey and were set into place on the building's west side. Ironworker Richie Shuler was there. He returned to the site last October, for the first time since trucks removed over a million tons of rubble from the destroyed towers just after the attacks.

"I was here two hours after the trade center fell," Shuler said.

In the beginning, the return to rebuild the site was "a little eerie," he said, "but it becomes a job."

By summer, steel will rise above street level for the first time; the Port Authority of New York and Jersey, which owned the trade center and is building the Freedom Tower, says it will take four more years to build: 102 stories, the same height as the twin towers, topped by a spire once likened to the Statue of Liberty's torch.

Brown is waiting eagerly.

"We want to bring that completion," he said. "We won't be happy until we see the needle put on top of it."
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:19 AM   #3774
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These vertical columns around the core outline the space that the skycraper will "fill" ?



Yes, that is correct.

In a way, Bond, it is almost as though the former Twin Towers will live on in spirit in the Freedom Tower bacause of these few things;

1. The steel columns for the Twins were made at that same plant in Luxembourg.

2. Tishman also was the contractor who built the Twins.

3. The Freedom Tower is also being built using no interior support columns to make more floor space for offices.

4. The restaurant and obs deck will be restored.

5. And there will also be another antenna inside the spire.

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Old February 23rd, 2008, 07:53 AM   #3775
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the should name floors and wings after the victims. Thats symbolic
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:14 PM   #3776
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The construction site looks spectacular... Hope too see it above street level soon.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:21 PM   #3777
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think we've to wait long until this moment
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:33 PM   #3778
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the core has to gorw only 21m to reach street level, but since it has grown a bit i think that a maximum of 10m are left to bring the core to street level.....so i think we dont have to wait long to see it at street level.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:46 PM   #3779
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1. The steel columns for the Twins were made at that same plant in Luxembourg.
Kind of a sad and point in U.S. industry where we don't even have the ability to make steel (or competitiveness) to make the steel for one of the most symbolic buildings in the United States!
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 03:00 PM   #3780
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10m left till core is brought to street level wow i can't wait once this tower starts to grow should start a complete new thread once the floors are starting to construct way too many pages!
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