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Old October 15th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #37921
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Here is a picture of said ledge and down-turned louvers of the original twins:

Note the light bulb is the sealed type expected in an exterior location. Also 1WTC's fireproofing is in the form of paint-on rather than spray-on fireproofing at the mechanical levels, more like we see at the base, but not colored red.
How on earth did I not know this until now? I always thought the louvers were on the exterior columns on those floors. Mind blown.
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Old October 15th, 2012, 09:45 PM   #37922
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Old October 16th, 2012, 12:01 AM   #37923
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How on earth did I not know this until now? I always thought the louvers were on the exterior columns on those floors. Mind blown.
Fun fact, the twin's louvers were black aluminum, which is why in photographs the mechanical floors form dark bands at night where there is no light even though there were utility lights on the backs of the exterior columns.

[Off topic: it drove me crazy when all the [individuals who couldn't accept that we were caught with our pants down] thought there were bombs on the mechanical floors because they saw puffs of smoke. That was the compressed air acting like in an accordion. The mechanical floors were treated as exterior areas and were not sealed from the outside atmosphere, therefore they were the easiest locations for the compressed air to escape the towers. Also, that's not mentioning the assorted oil filled transformers in the two substations in each mechanical floor, or the water tanks, or the dust. Also on this topic, The Rising gave a false explanation. The twin's cores held at least half the weight of the floor outside of the core and all of the weight of the floors inside the core. If one end of the floor spandrels were attached to the perimeter and one half went to the core than it only makes sense that they shared the load. In this tower the same idea is used for the exterior floor structure, but the floors in the core are able to support themselves without added horizontal strength from the exterior columns. In other words, 1WTC's core can stand alone and be stable. In the twins the core stood for several seconds after the exterior floors and columns collapsed, but because they were never engineered to withstand shear forces, only the force of gravity, they were extremely unstable and collapsed. That is why the core columns were at the top of the debris pile. Had that not been the case, people in the core during the collapse would have had a great chance of survival.]

Back to 1WTC: the louvers appear to be the same blue-grey color of the ones that are at the base mechanical floors, but in the renders, they appear to be completely lit at night. Hopefully its more of a soft glow.

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Old October 16th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #37924
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Fun fact, the twin's louvers were black aluminum, which is why in photographs the mechanical floors form dark bands at night where there is no light even though there were utility lights on the backs of the exterior columns.

[Off topic: it drove me crazy when all the conspiracy nutcases thought there were bombs on the mechanical floors because they saw puffs of smoke. That was the compressed air acting like in an accordion. The mechanical floors were treated as exterior areas and were not sealed from the outside atmosphere, therefore they were the easiest locations for the compressed air to escape the towers. Also, that's not mentioning the assorted oil filled transformers in the two substations in each mechanical floor, or the water tanks, or the dust. Also on this topic, The Rising gave a false explanation. The twin's cores held at least half the weight of the floor outside of the core and all of the weight of the floors inside the core. If one end of the floor spandrels were attached to the perimeter and one half went to the core than it only makes sense that they shared the load. In this tower the same idea is used for the exterior floor structure, but the floors in the core are able to support themselves without added horizontal strength from the exterior columns. In other words, 1WTC's core can stand alone and be stable. In the twins the core stood for several seconds after the exterior floors and columns collapsed, but because they were never engineered to withstand shear forces, only the force of gravity, they were extremely unstable and collapsed. That is why the core columns were at the top of the debris pile. Had that not been the case, people in the core during the collapse would have had a great chance of survival.]

Back to 1WTC: the louvers appear to be the same blue-grey color of the ones that are at the base mechanical floors, but in the renders, they appear to be completely lit at night. Hopefully its more of a soft glow.
It's one thing to give your explanation and apparent expertise on the subject of the former World Trade Center construction and it's another to call individuals "nutcases" for believing in alternate theories. That's called being a bully. Just sayin...
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Old October 16th, 2012, 12:58 AM   #37925
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Fun fact, the twin's louvers were black aluminum, which is why in photographs the mechanical floors form dark bands at night where there is no light even though there were utility lights on the backs of the exterior columns.

[Off topic: it drove me crazy when all the conspiracy nutcases thought there were bombs on the mechanical floors because they saw puffs of smoke. That was the compressed air acting like in an accordion. The mechanical floors were treated as exterior areas and were not sealed from the outside atmosphere, therefore they were the easiest locations for the compressed air to escape the towers. Also, that's not mentioning the assorted oil filled transformers in the two substations in each mechanical floor, or the water tanks, or the dust. Also on this topic, The Rising gave a false explanation. The twin's cores held at least half the weight of the floor outside of the core and all of the weight of the floors inside the core. If one end of the floor spandrels were attached to the perimeter and one half went to the core than it only makes sense that they shared the load. In this tower the same idea is used for the exterior floor structure, but the floors in the core are able to support themselves without added horizontal strength from the exterior columns. In other words, 1WTC's core can stand alone and be stable. In the twins the core stood for several seconds after the exterior floors and columns collapsed, but because they were never engineered to withstand shear forces, only the force of gravity, they were extremely unstable and collapsed. That is why the core columns were at the top of the debris pile. Had that not been the case, people in the core during the collapse would have had a great chance of survival.]

Back to 1WTC: the louvers appear to be the same blue-grey color of the ones that are at the base mechanical floors, but in the renders, they appear to be completely lit at night. Hopefully its more of a soft glow.
A good percentage of Americans don't believe the official 9/11 story, don't call them nutcases just because they have a different opinion...
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #37926
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:19 AM   #37927
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I changed my wording in my last post. When I was making a model of the original North tower that I had to visit all kinds of conspiracy websites to find reference images. I read some pretty far out stuff, like the paint on the entire building containing explosives. I was referring to the really far out stuff. The louver picture is one that I found on one of said conspiracy sites.

On topic: does the steel situation mean that the roof is completely stalled until further notice?
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:24 AM   #37928
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this is the greatest city in the world, and it has the greatest skyline the world has ever known, personally im not a big fan of the new WTC tower, they should of made it something the world has never seen something amazing like a spinning tower of sorts with every floor having a unique color. something of that nature.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:31 AM   #37929
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Old October 16th, 2012, 02:31 AM   #37930
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1WTC looks so much taller than 1,368 feet in that first photo!
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Old October 16th, 2012, 02:40 AM   #37931
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It's one thing to give your explanation and apparent expertise on the subject of the former World Trade Center construction and it's another to call individuals "nutcases" for believing in alternate theories. That's called being a bully. Just sayin...
Oh please.

And those aren't theories as there is no evidence to support them. They are the insane ramblings of stupid, attention seeking and/or misinformed people.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 03:06 AM   #37932
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The court case between ADF group and the Port Authority is scheduled for the 26th of October, hopefully they will settle this bullshit by then.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 03:52 AM   #37933
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The court case between ADF group and the Port Authority is scheduled for the 26th of October, hopefully they will settle this bullshit by then.
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Thanks for the info, hopefully they get this thing for done once
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:00 PM   #37934
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:23 PM   #37935
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And what about the dog, the child and the big hole? (see the first page of this topic!)
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Old October 16th, 2012, 01:59 PM   #37936
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1WTC looks so much taller than 1,368 feet in that first photo!
It actually is. It's 1374 feet tall
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Old October 16th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #37937
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Fun fact, the twin's louvers were black aluminum, which is why in photographs the mechanical floors form dark bands at night where there is no light even though there were utility lights on the backs of the exterior columns.

Back to 1WTC: the louvers appear to be the same blue-grey color of the ones that are at the base mechanical floors, but in the renders, they appear to be completely lit at night. Hopefully its more of a soft glow.
All louver work is being done by the same contractor, louvers at all 3 plenums will be basically the same. I don't have any information about the general illumination but I believe it'll be similar to 7's parapet.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #37938
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Still wish they'd put the twins back though.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #37939
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It actually is. It's 1374 feet tall
Same difference. Depends on which side you are on. Just like Sears being 1,454 originally and getting remeasured at 1,450 from its opposite side. I think they'll end up saying that it is 1,368 feet in the same way they did with Sears.
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Old October 16th, 2012, 08:19 PM   #37940
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Well, I hope that in this case they will measure it as 1374 feet so that it escapes the humiliation of not being taller than the Twins
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