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Old February 26th, 2008, 01:13 AM   #3821
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For better security, they should build a flak tower:


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Old February 26th, 2008, 01:18 AM   #3822
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For better security, they should build a flak tower:


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That dosn't look good
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Old February 26th, 2008, 05:38 AM   #3823
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I wish the tower would be taller but the design is great and 541 is a heck of alot of meters, i cant wait for it to really get going my city is going to look stunning.
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Old February 26th, 2008, 09:42 AM   #3824
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Hysteria about possible attacks may cause them in the end to build huge walls around the skycrapers, LOL.
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Old February 26th, 2008, 10:56 AM   #3825
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How about 24-hour surveilence cameras? The complex having its own police like the colleges & universities do?

They need to stop making feable excuses which would delay the project & secure a plan.
Times a wasting!
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Old February 26th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #3826
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I am keen on it to stop this whole security discussion, so i would like to give my statement to this topic.

IMO if terrorists will attack this towers they will, totally indifferent which security provisions they include......we have to deal with it we cant have 100% security made by people....i mean what will the build against simmilar attacks like on 911, again with planes?

Furthermore i cant understand why the press reports this security shit only related to THIS towers, i mean look at BOFA it has also a fully glas base, it is also a possible terrorist target and they dont care about it.....

So folks please stop this senseless discussions which impact is the closure of the thread......
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Old February 26th, 2008, 04:01 PM   #3827
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Also the NYT Tower and TW Center.
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Old February 26th, 2008, 07:58 PM   #3828
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I am keen on it to stop this whole security discussion, so i would like to give my statement to this topic.

IMO if terrorists will attack this towers they will, totally indifferent which security provisions they include......we have to deal with it we cant have 100% security made by people....i mean what will the build against simmilar attacks like on 911, again with planes?

Furthermore i cant understand why the press reports this security shit only related to THIS towers, i mean look at BOFA it has also a fully glas base, it is also a possible terrorist target and they dont care about it.....

So folks please stop this senseless discussions which impact is the closure of the thread......

i don't think such an attack with planes will ever happen again im the USA
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Old February 26th, 2008, 11:37 PM   #3829
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How about 24-hour surveilence cameras? The complex having its own police like the colleges & universities do?

They need to stop making feable excuses which would delay the project & secure a plan.
Times a wasting!
Yeah! thats what I thought of.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 03:20 AM   #3830
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lmfao talb.. lmfao

sooo i'm going to nyc in 6 days for a short vacation and to tour a school and i cant wait to stop by and check out ground zero!
Glass is actually weaker than both stone and concrete not to mention that some of it can break just by merely leaning on it.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 04:02 AM   #3831
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Glass is actually weaker than both stone and concrete not to mention that some of it can break just by merely leaning on it.
Well, they wouldn't use such weak glass for windows in a skyscraper, get real!
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Old February 28th, 2008, 05:46 AM   #3832
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Glass is actually weaker than both stone and concrete not to mention that some of it can break just by merely leaning on it.
TalB, you are becoming ridiculous. Tell me when you have herd of a person that ha fallen from a skyscraper because he leaned on the window, and maybe I'll start to actually consider as a mature person.

Sincerely, it's better if you stop, before you humiliate yourself even more.

Getting away from these laughable considerations, can someone tell me what kind of concrete is being used for the core, and if the process is similar to the Burj Dubai as in the numerous types of concrete used in the hole building.
Thank you to whoever will be able to answer this question, and let us drop the nonsense about the glass (it was pathetic at the beginning, and it wasn't getting any better).
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Old February 28th, 2008, 08:34 AM   #3833
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In the last photo, Towers 2, 3, and 4 contain too much glass, fail to meet blast standards, and are vunerable to vehicles in nearby streets. Do they need to be redesigned?
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Old February 28th, 2008, 12:25 PM   #3834
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This is insane. Wasnt it our officials who said that if we let the terrorist place fear in us then we let the terrorist win?

Secondly, it is not common for terrorist to attack the same place twice. While your busy securing these buildings the terrorist will attempt to attack the least secure, vulnerable and unexpected.

The only solution is to continue as planned. If these are the buildings America chose then these are what America should build.

All of the stuff in between is ludicrous, cant make everyone happy anway.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 01:47 PM   #3835
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Secondly, it is not common for terrorist to attack the same place twice. While your busy securing these buildings the terrorist will attempt to attack the least secure, vulnerable and unexpected.
The first WTC was attacked twice. Other than that I agree with you.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 08:22 PM   #3836
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In the last photo, Towers 2, 3, and 4 contain too much glass, fail to meet blast standards, and are vunerable to vehicles in nearby streets. Do they need to be redesigned?
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Old February 28th, 2008, 10:14 PM   #3837
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The threats that these buildings face are no different than other buildings. They're high visibility yea, just about any building is susceptible to a terrorist attack. If they can't attack on building, they can attack others. It would be ridiculous to implement these foolish safety standards for all buildings. If that happened, they would just figure out a new way to attack.
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Old February 28th, 2008, 11:34 PM   #3838
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I noticed in the last few months that the core has been rising slowly
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Old February 28th, 2008, 11:45 PM   #3839
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In the last photo, Towers 2, 3, and 4 contain too much glass, fail to meet blast standards, and are vunerable to vehicles in nearby streets. Do they need to be redesigned?
Not necessarily. They'll probably do something like with the FT and just change the materials at the base. That is if they go ahead with these changes.
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The threats that these buildings face are no different than other buildings. They're high visibility yea, just about any building is susceptible to a terrorist attack. If they can't attack on building, they can attack others. It would be ridiculous to implement these foolish safety standards for all buildings. If that happened, they would just figure out a new way to attack.
I agree.
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Old February 29th, 2008, 12:03 AM   #3840
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TalB, you are becoming ridiculous. Tell me when you have herd of a person that ha fallen from a skyscraper because he leaned on the window, and maybe I'll start to actually consider as a mature person.

Sincerely, it's better if you stop, before you humiliate yourself even more.
I didn't call your posts ridiculous, so I insist that you stop. Don't relate me to those others who known little or nothing about the difference in resistances of substances, b/c I have actually done the research. What I came up with between glass vs stone/concrete was based on van der Waals forces, which is the relatively weak attractive forces that act on neutral atoms and molecules and that arise because of the electric polarization induced in each of the particles by the presence of other particles hence I didn't just come up with that arbitrairly.

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The only solution is to continue as planned. If these are the buildings America chose then these are what America should build.
It wasn't supported by the people, and I know this from going to the hearings, but I won't mention it in depth on it here.
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