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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #38641
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It is already topped out. I just can't imagine CTBUH would count the unclad antenna. They would loose all their credibility if they'd count it.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 05:42 PM   #38642
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The antenna is going to be shipped out Next Thursday(November 15th)
It will take 2 weeks to get here.

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According to Wired NY's IrishGuy, we won't see it until 2013
Hmm I'm skeptical about 2013, I am not sure about that even though he works there, let's just wait and see.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:33 PM   #38643
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it's not topped out until after the spire/antenna is erected. The CTBUH said they'll make their final decision afterwards.
Besides, the CTBUH already has credibility issues. See the 1250 ft tower in Nanjing that's taller than the Willis Tower because of it's tall stick on top.


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Old November 11th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #38644
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^Amazing pictures.1WTC looks bigger due to the tapering,but the originals looked more massive.
Although 1wtc might appear much smaller because of the tapering, the volume is only about 15% less compared to the building without tapering.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:13 PM   #38645
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #38646
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Doesnt matter honestly
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:24 PM   #38647
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it's not topped out until after the spire/antenna is erected. The CTBUH said they'll make their final decision afterwards.
Besides, the CTBUH already has credibility issues. See the 1250 ft tower in Nanjing that's taller than the Willis Tower because of it's tall stick on top.
if it is an antenna the building is topped out for two reasons,
A: it has reached its final height
B: antenna is not a part of the structure itself, but more of decour by the CTBUH standards.

but the fact that CTBUH is delaying its ruling for the building shows that the place where the building is built and the history of a building can put weight on the decission, which is just not right and believable for a ruling system that is supposed to be completely objective
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:27 PM   #38648
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Doesnt matter honestly
For you mortals, at all.

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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:41 PM   #38649
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Is that the beginning of the antennae that's going up? The black at the bottom of the cranes?
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:51 PM   #38650
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Nope. The antenna will start when the core reaches the roof. I think they need to build the ring, first, too. Those are some sort of temporary extra supports
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:53 PM   #38651
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Nope. The antenna will start when the core reaches the roof. I think they need to build the ring, first, too. Those are some sort of temporary extra supports
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:58 PM   #38652
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Nope. The antenna will start when the core reaches the roof. I think they need to build the ring, first, too. Those are some sort of temporary extra supports
Core shear walls have already toped out at the bottom of 104M, the ring shaped pedestal of the mast will be tied to the core through the roof slab.

The communications platform ring is a separate project from mast erection, though coordination between both is necessary to allow simultaneous erection. PMad has some great renderings depicting how the situation will look like.


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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:33 PM   #38653
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For you mortals, at all.
Really the percent of room isn't a key feature nor does "mortals" make sense.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #38654
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18.42%
That is quite a large number, considering it is greater the higher up you go.

If you consider just the top half of the buildling it is quite possible the volume is 30% less or something like that.

Quite noticeable and it explains why although the building is tall it isn't imposing as the old towerw were.

Gosh construction seems to be proceeding slowly these days.

We really need to get towers 2 or 3 climbing skyward.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #38655
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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:02 AM   #38656
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That is quite a large number, considering it is greater the higher up you go.

If you consider just the top half of the buildling it is quite possible the volume is 30% less or something like that.

Quite noticeable and it explains why although the building is tall it isn't imposing as the old towerw were.

Gosh construction seems to be proceeding slowly these days.

We really need to get towers 2 or 3 climbing skyward.
Wow, great maths! Yes, the top half of building is indeed 30.0% volumetrically smaller (considering the curtain wall as volume reference).

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Really the percent of room isn't a key feature nor does "mortals" make sense.
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Percent of room is more related to gross square footage, which is not directly related to the volume.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:46 AM   #38657
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There was a great rendering by StR that showed the new 1WTC in profile against the 1970 North Tower. Wish I could find it, because it did a great job of illustrating the size differences between the two buildings.

EDIT: Found it!

[IMG]http://i49.************/8x2djq.jpg[/IMG]
Rendering by StR

[IMG]http://i49.************/30ruv5f.jpg[/IMG]
Rendering by StR

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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #38658
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Man, 1WTC looks like a stick compared to the North Tower. Unless when you're looking at it from the front, back and sides, and not the corners.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 01:50 AM   #38659
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Wow, great maths! Yes, the top half of building is indeed 30.0% volumetrically smaller (considering the curtain wall as volume reference).


Percent of room is more related to gross square footage, which is not directly related to the volume.

Ok gotchya
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Old November 12th, 2012, 06:52 AM   #38660
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There was a great rendering by StR that showed the new 1WTC in profile against the 1970 North Tower. Wish I could find it, because it did a great job of illustrating the size differences between the two buildings.

EDIT: Found it!

[IMG]http://i49.************/8x2djq.jpg[/IMG]
Rendering by StR

[IMG]http://i49.************/30ruv5f.jpg[/IMG]
Rendering by StR
I don't think this is an accurate representation.
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