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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:08 PM   #39921
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Do you have to be so impolite to other forumers? He only stated his opinion
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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:09 PM   #39922
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I don't like the design of skyscrapers in the United States, they seem like boxes or they are very old, china for example has better designs and more modern. I hope not having offended anyone with this comment is only a personal opinion.
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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #39923
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Do you have to be so impolite to other forumers? He only stated his opinion
all he does is whine then complain when others want to whine lol, anyway, i for one like the new base design much more then the old
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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:20 PM   #39924
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Yeah, it was a pretty good year for me as well, considering it's when I was born.
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Old December 29th, 2012, 11:30 PM   #39925
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all he does is whine then complain when others want to whine lol, anyway, i for one like the new base design much more then the old
Same here. I hated that triangular prismatic glass. Even if you do prefer the former base cladding, it's better than the originally proposed bare concrete base.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:19 AM   #39926
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Whatever, cry me a river You sound entitled. You should be grateful you are getting a proper building with a decent height. You could have ended up with a giant bird cage or a tick-tack-toe 800foot monstrosity!
You always post some type of insult everytime your on this forum. Your telling him to get over it, if anything you need to get over it. You act as if your a child.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #39927
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@ RKOWens It would better to reserve judgement until the base has been fully clad, and maybe even lit.
I remember people saying how hideous and dull 4WTC would look, and now opinions seem to have changed in polar ways.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #39928
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This is the final straw that broke the camel's back. I am officially no longer interested in One World Trade Center whatsoever. From April 2007 to earlier this year, not a single day passed when I didn't follow 1WTC's progress on earthcam and these forums. In September 2009 I was able to get access inside the construction site and walk around inside 1WTC's lobby. Back then it was a like a young child with a bright future. It could have been something truly amazing.

However, in the years since, there has been one thing after the other taking away all that was good about 1WTC. First it was the scrapping of the restaurant at the top of the building. Then it was the abandoning of the plan for prismatic glass around the base. Then it was the scrapping of the planned spire, not only resulting in its replacement by a hideously bare antenna but also its promised height of 1776 feet. And now, they have officially abandoned the plan for tapered corners in the podium instead replacing it with a square cube, making the base as dull as it could possibly be and the building overall bottom-heavy. The purpose of the tapering-in base was to make the building look like an upward-turned and elongated diamond. The child with the bright future that I met in September 2009 has grown up to be a violently abused drug addict on the streets. For five years I defended this building from people who disliked it and thought the Twin Towers should have been rebuilt. Although I'm not in favor of the Twin Towers 2 idea, I absolutely hate this building now. Sorry if I'm offending anyone, but it's time to stop playing apologist for the Port Authority. I did that after the restaurant and glass prisms, but no more.
Preach it, brother! I agree COMPLETELY. Almost everything that was great about this building has been obliterated.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #39929
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So the base and the spire were the only things that made you like this building? Come on.

And it's funny, because nobody has seen the final product of these changes yet they are quick to judge. Do people not learn?
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:31 AM   #39930
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I don't like the design of skyscrapers in the United States, they seem like boxes or they are very old, china for example has better designs and more modern. I hope not having offended anyone with this comment is only a personal opinion.
LaRosca, I agree 50/50 with your assertion. I agree that skyscrapers in America, especially circa 1960s-1970s, are too simple and naked in design which makes them rather mundane and an eyesore. HOWEVER, Art Deco architecture, circa 1920s-1930s, I believe is the most beautiful and elegant structures the US has to offer. Not only were they about height, but also about beauty. I'd recommend you take a closer observation of these structures and view the details which ornate them. I personally would love to see a revival of that classic style of Art Deco. Imagine a supertall Art Deco tower dominating a skyline even more imposing and prominent than the ESB.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:32 AM   #39931
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This is the final straw that broke the camel's back. I am officially no longer interested in One World Trade Center whatsoever. From April 2007 to earlier this year, not a single day passed when I didn't follow 1WTC's progress on earthcam and these forums. In September 2009 I was able to get access inside the construction site and walk around inside 1WTC's lobby. Back then it was a like a young child with a bright future. It could have been something truly amazing.

However, in the years since, there has been one thing after the other taking away all that was good about 1WTC. First it was the scrapping of the restaurant at the top of the building. Then it was the abandoning of the plan for prismatic glass around the base. Then it was the scrapping of the planned spire, not only resulting in its replacement by a hideously bare antenna but also its promised height of 1776 feet. And now, they have officially abandoned the plan for tapered corners in the podium instead replacing it with a square cube, making the base as dull as it could possibly be and the building overall bottom-heavy. The purpose of the tapering-in base was to make the building look like an upward-turned and elongated diamond. The child with the bright future that I met in September 2009 has grown up to be a violently abused drug addict on the streets. For five years I defended this building from people who disliked it and thought the Twin Towers should have been rebuilt. Although I'm not in favor of the Twin Towers 2 idea, I absolutely hate this building now. Sorry if I'm offending anyone, but it's time to stop playing apologist for the Port Authority. I did that after the restaurant and glass prisms, but no more.
A lot of people do this, even if the ugliest building was being built in the site, they would still say it's the best thing that's even happened to New York.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #39932
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You always post some type of insult everytime your on this forum. Your telling him to get over it, if anything you need to get over it. You act as if your a child.
It wasn't an an insult, it was a reminder to not be so unappreciative and greedy.

BTW I think you have an agenda, stop talking to me in such an impolite way please. Pot calling the Kettle black.

It is boring after a while listening to all the gripers. Although I'm unhappy about the spire I can at least appreciate the fact that we are getting a decent tower. Just a reminder about what he is forgetting. Actually, it is he who is acting poorly. We could have easily had something that resembled a monument rather than a building, remember the bird cage monstrosity, the sky gardens, the tick tack toe building, etc? We should be grateful that something reasonable is being built here that is not far off what it has replaced. Some people act so entitled and selfish and complain about the Port or Larry as if they are somehow betraying them personally just because it isn't exactly to their liking. They forget how difficult it is to coordinate all the issues in such a complex building project and how not everyone can be happy.

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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #39933
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LaRosca, I agree 50/50 with your assertion. I agree that skyscrapers in America, especially circa 1960s-1970s, are too simple and naked in design which makes them rather mundane and an eyesore. HOWEVER, Art Deco architecture, circa 1920s-1930s, I believe is the most beautiful and elegant structures the US has to offer. Not only were they about height, but also about beauty. I'd recommend you take a closer observation of these structures and view the details which ornate them. I personally would love to see a revival of that classic style of Art Deco. Imagine a supertall Art Deco tower dominating a skyline even more imposing and prominent than the ESB.
Most of China's buildings are built surrounded by massive roads and big open spaces and are anti-urban despite their designs. What good is that?
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:51 AM   #39934
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It wasn't an an insult.

BTW I think you have an agenda, stop talking to me in such an impolite way please. Pot calling the Kettle black.

It is boring after a while listening to all the gripers. Although I'm unhappy about the spire I can at least appreciate the fact that we are getting a decent tower. Just a reminder about what he is forgetting. Actually, it is he who is acting poorly. We could have easily had something that resembled a monument rather than a building, remember the bird cage monstrosity, the sky gardens, the tick tack toe building, etc? We should be grateful that something reasonable is being built here that is not far off what it has replaced. Some people act so entitled and selfish and complain about the Port or Larry as if he they are somehow betraying them personally just because it isn't exactly to their liking. They forget how difficult it is to coordinate all the issues in such a complex building project and how not everyone can be happy.
GO cry a river.. coming from the person whose always complaining that new york has boring designs, im so surprised that your so against a bird cage, i think that would be quite unique dont you think
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:55 AM   #39935
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GO cry a river.. coming from the person whose always complaining that new york has boring designs, im so surprised that your so against a bird cage, i think that would be quite unique dont you think
NY needs more innovative designs, but bird cages are not the answer. I like my towers to have some substance.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:58 AM   #39936
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NY needs more innovative designs, but bird cages are not the answer. I like my towers to have some substance.
so go get a degree in architecture and go design better.. don't complain about designs if you couldn't do better
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:59 AM   #39937
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Most of China's buildings are built surrounded by massive roads and big open spaces and are anti-urban despite their designs. What good is that?
I'm talking about architecture and how America has beautiful architecture. As for China, don't forget the country has over a billion people.
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Old December 30th, 2012, 12:59 AM   #39938
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so go get a degree in architecture and go design better.. don't complain about designs if you couldn't do better
Many people seem to agree that the US skyscrapers are often dull boxes and are lacking in design ideas compared to many areas of the world, it isn't just me.

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Old December 30th, 2012, 01:04 AM   #39939
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Someone please get him out of here, you're really annoying

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Old December 30th, 2012, 01:04 AM   #39940
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I'm talking about architecture and how America has beautiful architecture.
From some of the proposals for NYC that may soon start, I think we will see more interesting designs in NY and the US as the years go by.
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