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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:02 PM   #40081
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I totally agree with you!

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Maybe those wires are some newly adapted security measure for hurricanes which wasn't in place when they built the other antennas in the city. Seeing how the crane on 157 was obliterated by Sandy I can imagine they want to prevent these kinds of things at all costs. But that is just a guess

What is the tallest antenna in New York today?
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:02 PM   #40082
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I am not trying to complain but why is the antenna/spire designed so strong yet they need to put guy wires around it ? I would have thought they would design it...bury it deep enough into the tower that it could stand there all by itself...like the ESB mast way on top of it's spire......what's going on ? maybe they could put guy wires around the building as well............sheeeezzzz
They provide extra strength to keep the wind load from applying all the torque to one spot at the base of the mast. even though it is extremely strong, and I'm sure we can all agree that it could stand well on its own, the Kevlar guys are there to transfer some of the loads to the side walls of the core. Its just added stability and strength, and an excuse to use 6 in diameter Kevlar cables, just because [actually because steel guys could interfere with signals].
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:14 PM   #40083
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I totally agree with you!



What is the tallest antenna in New York today?
The four tallest antennas are 1WTC (541 m or 1776 feet), ESB (443 m or 1454 feet), 4 Times Square (341 m or 1118 feet) and the Bloomberg Tower (287 m or 941 feet).
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:21 PM   #40084
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They provide extra strength to keep the wind load from applying all the torque to one spot at the base of the mast. even though it is extremely strong, and I'm sure we can all agree that it could stand well on its own, the Kevlar guys are there to transfer some of the loads to the side walls of the core. Its just added stability and strength, and an excuse to use 6 in diameter Kevlar cables, just because [actually because steel guys could interfere with signals].
That's about right!


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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:44 PM   #40085
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Maybe those wires are some newly adapted security measure for hurricanes which wasn't in place when they built the other antennas in the city. Seeing how the crane on 157 was obliterated by Sandy I can imagine they want to prevent these kinds of things at all costs. But that is just a guess
I could be some new security rules made after other towers were build. But never due to Sandy because that was last year and the 1WTC design is more than 6 years old
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 05:47 PM   #40086
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Houston, we have a problem. Check out the oculus and Tower 1 Base, earth cams.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 06:03 PM   #40087
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After seeing a few photos of some of the antenna/spire pieces they sure don't look like what I had described at one point as a "400 ft stick". They appear to be very substantial and heavy duty looking sections of a formidable structure with certain design elements as opposed to a tall thin rail resembling a hilltop tv tower which is what I had pictured in my mind based on some of the renders and drawing I've seen. I've been in the camp that doesn't believe a puny spire should be counted as total height but now I don't think this is going to look puny at all so I'm looking forward to seeing the finished product. I think it may be much more impressive than I was expecting.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 06:25 PM   #40088
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Houston, we have a problem. Check out the oculus and Tower 1 Base, earth cams.
The base cam doesn't work for me. What's happening?
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:21 PM   #40089
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I know Otie and PMad know this, but do the rest of you guys talking about the wires know that the antenna on the original Tower One had them as well? They were just almost impossible to see.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:33 PM   #40090
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Didn't know that. They must have been far thinner than the cables on the new 1WTC
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:48 PM   #40091
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The cams are pointed the wrong way. Minor problem, hopefully.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 07:55 PM   #40092
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I know Otie and PMad know this, but do the rest of you guys talking about the wires know that the antenna on the original Tower One had them as well? They were just almost impossible to see.
I never knew that,but I think I found a pic of it.

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 08:21 PM   #40093
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This actually looks like a wire antenna, think of the thing on some alarm clocks, but much larger. These appear to be far too small to make a noticeable improvement to stability, also if they were guys, they would not be anchored so close together. The plans do not identify any anchor points, however I think the original mast on the north tower before the one we all are familiar with might have had guys, but it was much thinner and off center.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 08:26 PM   #40094
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Yup, the old off center antenna had guyed wires

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 08:30 PM   #40095
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that's the original tower that I was referring to. Its off center, but the one that was later constructed, and the one we usually think of was not guyed. Worth noting, the south tower has a small antenna in that picture also.

1WTC: there is work being done on the SE corner of the base, but it isn't clear what is being done.
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Old January 2nd, 2013, 10:06 PM   #40096
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The mast atop the original 1WTC, under construction in March 1979. The old antenna can be seen on the left.

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 10:26 PM   #40097
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This actually looks like a wire antenna, think of the thing on some alarm clocks, but much larger. These appear to be far too small to make a noticeable improvement to stability, also if they were guys, they would not be anchored so close together. The plans do not identify any anchor points, however I think the original mast on the north tower before the one we all are familiar with might have had guys, but it was much thinner and off center.
Whatever it was, it was a mess of wires. If anything it looked worse than what we are going to get. They seem to appear/disappear at random intervals over the years in the pictures I have. I'm really confused now.





This video shows them; some are covered with ice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qTrED-qOVo

And this video shows that at least one of them is a rope?! What on earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlEU5bcke0U
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 12:45 AM   #40098
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Great Video! On You-tube. Now can somebody answer me this?:

Has the construction of the rest of the facade, at the top, and I understand it is on the 90th floor, stopped or slowed down, and if so, is it because of the instillation of the spire, or antenna, or whatever it's called? I'm asking this because the progress of the facade seems like it has slowed down quite a bit, and if whatever the case, is it on schedule? Or better yet what is the projected date? Is it on time? Is there a delay? Or is it going along as planned?
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 01:40 AM   #40099
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this will look better.

if the model holds water, those are tie bars, not guy cables.

it will look a lot cleaner
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 04:14 AM   #40100
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Yup, the old off center antenna had guyed wires

That photo looks magnificant
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