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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:13 AM   #40401
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Wow it's gonna be so strange seeing the black netting gone after almost two years on the skyline
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:37 AM   #40402
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Great news!

Squaring off on the south western side is also coming along nicely, hope they can start with the base cladding soon..

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That is so wack. I don't tend to post here often but as a New Yorker i've been following closely the updates. I hate this decision to square off the tower. It really disappoints me
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #40403
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idk why so many people dislike the base lol i like the new design much more
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Old January 16th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #40404
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I like the new cladding better, but also prefer the original shape. I can deal with it, though.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 02:03 AM   #40405
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I got over the base re-design. I don't think I'll ever get over the 'spire' but I think the base will turn out to be stunning. The glass fins set at odd angles concept is pretty unique.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 02:33 AM   #40406
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The CBS evening news just ran a short segment on WTC1. While I don't give great credence to CTBUH ranking, or at least don't consider it more official than anyone else's opinion, ironically it probably won't matter.

The media (and people in general) love to sensationalize and to tell stories about the biggest or tallest or fastest. With that in mind, it isn't surprising the news is still reporting that installation of the steel "spire" began today and that the building will be "the tallest in the western hemisphere, a symbolic 1776 feet". Add to this the factoid about 1776 and it is likely that the general public will always consider 1776 feet to be the height, even if CTBUH correctly recognizes it as an "antenna" rather than "spire" by their own definition.

I wonder what the residents of Chicago or Toronto have to say about that.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 02:53 AM   #40407
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I think the number of people in the world who really care would fit comfortably inside this one tower.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:00 AM   #40408
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I like the new cladding better, but also prefer the original shape. I can deal with it, though.
Well you're gonna have to deal with it no matter what unfortunately
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:00 AM   #40409
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It's because angles can take more force than 90 degree sides, I believe.
Do you remember where you heard or read this? I'd be interested in learning more.

Without an explanation, it seems more like layman confusion rooted in the base indeed being built like a bunker. Every design aspect could easily be attributed to that even though it isn't likely the case. Vertical columns would best support load from above. Bracing of those columns and additional concrete would seem to be the optimal structural solution, not creating an overhang 180' tall.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:06 AM   #40410
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I think the number of people in the world who really care would fit comfortably inside this one tower.
lol, I get what you're saying. Us skyscraper geeks aren't exactly the general population.

But someone must care if they're showing it on prime time TV and even advertising the story prior to it airing. Whether it makes sense or not, this is a national icon and many people are emotional about it, even though not following the construction closely. Because of that, I'm betting that the 1776 number is what will become the generally recognized height simply because it is taller and that makes people feel good.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:16 AM   #40411
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Yes, the chamfered corners make the base less clunky. I don't think they square off the corners to save money from cladding at angles. It is because the new cladding plan, which uses glass fins, requires rectangle facades. But the new cladding plan does save money while still makes the base look shimmering. Prismatic glass would cost a lot.
Perhaps 50 or 100 years from now, when it's time to renovate 1WTC, they will restore the chamfered corners. I like both designs. It would be cool to see the prismatic glass design (or a similar version) on another building somewhere, if it can be done safely.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:22 AM   #40412
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Well you're gonna have to deal with it no matter what unfortunately
I meant deal with it without complaining.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:25 AM   #40413
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Do you remember where you heard or read this? I'd be interested in learning more.

Without an explanation, it seems more like layman confusion rooted in the base indeed being built like a bunker. Every design aspect could easily be attributed to that even though it isn't likely the case. Vertical columns would best support load from above. Bracing of those columns and additional concrete would seem to be the optimal structural solution, not creating an overhang 180' tall.
I think it allows greater resistance against bomb attacks and allow the diagonal bracing to work better, but I don't know, I have no idea what engineering went in the base. I remember thinking the champhers were part of the design until I was corrected.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #40414
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from http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/pr...adLine_id=1738

Construction crews at the 16-acre World Trade Center site this morning installed the first piece of the 408-foot spire that will raise the height of the iconic One World Trade Center to 1,776 feet -- when it will then become the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere.

Ironworkers and crane operators used two cranes to lift and guide the first section of steel into place. Crews guided the first piece, which is the heaviest section and weighs more than 67 tons, into a six-foot concrete base on the building’s roof.

Workers had hoisted the first section to the top of the building on December 12, less than 24 hours after it arrived by barge at Pier 25 in Lower Manhattan. The largest piece, along with eight other large sections of spire, traveled 1,500 nautical miles down the Atlantic seaboard from Valleyfield, Quebec in late November. Nine additional smaller sections of spire arrived via truck last month.

Installation of all 18 pieces of spire and three communication rings will take two to three months, depending on wind and weather conditions. A stainless steel beacon weighing almost six tons will be the final piece put into position, bringing the building to its final height of 1,776 feet.

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Six tons for the beacon? That's a lot.. Let's hope for good weather and low wind speeds..

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Old January 16th, 2013, 01:09 PM   #40415
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Old January 16th, 2013, 01:42 PM   #40416
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lol, I get what you're saying. Us skyscraper geeks aren't exactly the general population.

But someone must care if they're showing it on prime time TV and even advertising the story prior to it airing. Whether it makes sense or not, this is a national icon and many people are emotional about it, even though not following the construction closely. Because of that, I'm betting that the 1776 number is what will become the generally recognized height simply because it is taller and that makes people feel good.

It will make the news if CTBUH rules the spire has no architectural merit and 1WTC is demoted to 3rd tallest in the US, but there will always be a spiritual height of 1776. The only way CTBUH can get away with it is to classify the spire as part of the architecture purely and solely because of Libeskind's symbolic height of 1,776 feet is reached by its design, as there is no other artistic expression in the spire left by the architect. It would be a once of ruling because otherwise that opens the door to other communications spires that could claim to have symbolic heights also. There's been plenty of time for submitting and looking at plans and I think CTBUH are stalling.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #40417
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I think it allows greater resistance against bomb attacks and allow the diagonal bracing to work better, but I don't know, I have no idea what engineering went in the base. I remember thinking the champhers were part of the design until I was corrected.
I'd say it depends on the angle of the shockwave of a bomb but I'm no pro, so that is just my guess

Btw, if the CTBUH rules this antenna to be a spire it will loose all credibility in my opinion. There are already countless people (including me) who disagree with their measurement methods but I bet that if they say this is a spire that number of people will drastically grow.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 03:53 PM   #40418
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The bottom line is that the current design of the antenna is really no different than the antenna on the original 1WTC. If it is included in the official height of the building, the CTBUH will have to revise their height criteria, and then have to change all of the historical rankings of the world's tallest buildings. And yes, I don't see on any reason for the delay on the decision.
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Old January 16th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #40419
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This looks nearly two years old
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Old January 16th, 2013, 04:30 PM   #40420
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The first part of the antenna is in place !
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