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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:31 AM   #40701
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The covering of some mast sections staged at the base is not to avoid ice damage, they will have to face worse conditions up in the sky. They are covered to protect from weather crews working on electrical conduits for beacon. Electrical contractor requested to work at ground level instead of way up in the sky.

This week cranes might not work due to weather forecast, current schedule is to get the whole mast erected before 2Q.

Otie, good info! I don't blame the EC for wanting to get some of that conduit/wiring work done on the ground vs. way up there. Any idea if they plan to install/do any preliminary aiming of the light fixtures for the platforms while still on the ground, or will all of that take place up top once the entire structure is in place? (By "platforms" I mean the smaller permanent platforms @ every 40' above the guy-wires)

Unrelated & Separate point of note: a week or so ago I read a quote that said the beacon was 67 tons or something like that. I'm guessing they meant the very top section of the structure, because the "beacon" is the actual LED-paneled rotating fixture inside the top piece and I think it's exponentially lighter than 67 tons.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:37 AM   #40702
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The 67 ton number refers to last piece No. 17, which houses the beacon. I don't recall seeing lighting fixtures at the platforms, can you elaborate?
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:52 AM   #40703
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The 67 ton number refers to last piece No. 17, which houses the beacon. I don't recall seeing lighting fixtures at the platforms, can you elaborate?
There will be LED fixtures on each of the platforms beginning at Level 15 and up.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:55 AM   #40704
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I hate how this building used used an antenna to increase its height. Wuhan Greenland Centre, Goldin Finance 117, Chow Tai Fook...all these buildings under construction in China have similar/greater height, and they don't have antennas.
Is it ok to add a 100-meter spire to a 200 meter tall building and give it supertall status?
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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:02 AM   #40705
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PMad, which section is that rendering?
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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:03 AM   #40706
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I hate how this building used used an antenna to increase its height. Wuhan Greenland Centre, Goldin Finance 117, Chow Tai Fook...all these buildings under construction in China have similar/greater height, and they don't have antennas.
Is it ok to add a 100-meter spire to a 200 meter tall building and give it supertall status?
It is what it is. There is no right or wrong yet I don't like that practice either. However, at least NYC builds for demand and doesn't build space that won't be needed which could result in a glut of space down the road. The spire was built to that height because it is a symbolic height of a very significant building (1776, date of independence of the USA) and for a very important antenna.

Again, they can't even fill this tower yet with tenants (not to mention the stalled WTC2) and u want a taller one? At some point your have to be practical, and that is how it is done. I don't understand why you are comparing the towers of an emerging market with NYC anyway, apples and oranges. Totally different situations and stages of growth.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:23 AM   #40707
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Old January 25th, 2013, 11:33 AM   #40708
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It is what it is. There is no right or wrong yet I don't like that practice either. However, at least NYC builds for demand and doesn't build space that won't be needed which could result in a glut of space down the road. The spire was built to that height because it is a symbolic height of a very significant building (1776, date of independence of the USA) and for a very important antenna.

Again, they can't even fill this tower yet with tenants (not to mention the stalled WTC2) and u want a taller one? At some point your have to be practical, and that is how it is done. I don't understand why you are comparing the towers of an emerging market with NYC anyway, apples and oranges. Totally different situations and stages of growth.
Agree.

It's like the burj whatever, Built for publicity and not for demand. Look at that building now, years have passed since it opened and it's still a ******* ghost town.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #40709
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I think the ESB has a perfect flow all the way to the roof. Wish they could have tapered the building so it looks more like a point. "I know it's impossible now" but 20 more floors of tapering would make the mast look much more dominate.. I know some of you will blaze me 4 this quote but look how cool ESB and Chrysler look.
No, you're absolutely right. They do have more flow, and it's beautiful. However, I really like this design, so I'd like to keep it.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 01:57 PM   #40710
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I hate how this building used used an antenna to increase its height. Wuhan Greenland Centre, Goldin Finance 117, Chow Tai Fook...all these buildings under construction in China have similar/greater height, and they don't have antennas.
Is it ok to add a 100-meter spire to a 200 meter tall building and give it supertall status?
In this case, I can't say I object to 1WTC's mast, considering it has so much space due to its gigantic floorplan. However, I would in nearly any other case.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 02:21 PM   #40711
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I hate how this building used used an antenna to increase its height. Wuhan Greenland Centre, Goldin Finance 117, Chow Tai Fook...all these buildings under construction in China have similar/greater height, and they don't have antennas.
Is it ok to add a 100-meter spire to a 200 meter tall building and give it supertall status?
Yes because in China there are no towers with big ass spires and / or crowns right? Please.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:01 PM   #40712
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In the end 1WTC may be the 3rd tallest in the US in terms of roof height, if it is ruled the antenna is not counted, and most likely bumped to 4th behind 432 Park Avenue in a couple of years.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #40713
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yes, 1976 is the date of your Independense, why they didn't make This roof hight? 1776 feet(541.32 metres)-is roof hight-this will be better, than 1326 feet roof...
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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:11 PM   #40714
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Old January 25th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #40715
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I just spit orange juice out of my nose when i read that
I'm sure that was a mistype.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:06 PM   #40716
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Swiddle, and other interested:

Plan is to get 3 mast sections on position, then they'll proceed to plumb, shim and grout the thing to correct out of plumb issue. As stated before, it's a matter of a quarter of an inch.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:31 PM   #40717
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It looks like they have brought up another section of the mast. I only count 9 sections at the base now. There was 10.


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Old January 25th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #40718
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Would you like me to do a diagram of current progress?
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Old January 25th, 2013, 08:45 PM   #40719
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yes, please!
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Old January 25th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #40720
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In that case, I will need feedback from you guys.

This time I'd prefer to do a 3D diagram, giving it an appearance of an infographic rather than a blueprint-type diagram, bad thing is rulers and measurements will be removed, eliminating elevation information but adding information about progress on different areas, trivias, etc...

Which one would you prefer? Feedback, fedback folks!

beta vs previous

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