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Old April 10th, 2008, 08:10 PM   #4261
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Old April 10th, 2008, 08:27 PM   #4262
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Nice pictures, I love the glass mixed with stone and how the buildings are all very thick and solid in this area of Downtown.
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Old April 10th, 2008, 09:03 PM   #4263
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i just wanted to say how said 9/11 was. if you dont want it, i'll remove it then
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Old April 11th, 2008, 03:47 AM   #4264
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I hope they can figure out a way to give us an exterior observation deck as well. Probably not, but I can hope.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 04:36 AM   #4265
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Of course there will be an exterior observation deck, that is, if you'd like to have every cell in your body fried and unable to replicate itself properly. The crown will contain all the com stuff.

If they put it in the spire, that's a different sotry, but it isn't going to happen according to logic.

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Old April 11th, 2008, 07:29 AM   #4266
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wow that is a massive construction site, i can't wait to see it rise
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Old April 11th, 2008, 02:56 PM   #4267
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If the exterior of the Freedom looks this sexy, then this tower will really dazzle in the sky and capture the sun rays beautifully
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Old April 11th, 2008, 03:05 PM   #4268
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How long does it take the steel to arrive to New York from Luxembourg?

(is there only one tower (freedom tower) in the actual ground zero?
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Old April 11th, 2008, 03:16 PM   #4269
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stunning !!!
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Old April 11th, 2008, 05:18 PM   #4270
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this project is coming along nicely. I wonder what the view is going to be like. The only thing I don't like is this tower isn't as massive as the twins but thats ok I still luv it.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 05:50 PM   #4271
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That is exactly what the cladding will look like. The purpose of the tests is to make sure the actual materials perform well in extreme conditions.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 05:52 PM   #4272
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Almost matches the facade on 7 WTC!
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Old April 11th, 2008, 07:29 PM   #4273
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The building, without any doubt, will look matchless, even better than 7, just like a rendering, something that you look like and can't take your eyes from. It seemes cloudy in those pictures, so the glass partly took on the color of the sky; it will look different depending on the outside conditions and time of day, and also the internal lighting. I wonder how exactly they'll light it up; it will be the greatest light show, I bet, since it's the centerpiece of lower Manhattan and they have big plans for the lighting. The Freedom Tower will look like a rendering in real life, better than its own renderings!

I was scared that the facade would look horrible, but it looks like the best modern glass facade I've EVER seen. It isn't exactly repeating itself or boring, but it is simple; it's the epitome of iconic, and the base facade will look just as good or better too. The simple steel where the facade has angles is a nice addition and makes it look perfect; I hope they do something like light it up too, maybe in different colors.

The mock fadade chunk was from the upper floors. Because it didn't have the special holes for air to come in, I am pretty sure that they were a sliver of floor 100, floor 101, and floor 102. Just so you can get an idea, but I don't think that's exactly where the chunk of facade is from:

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Old April 11th, 2008, 07:35 PM   #4274
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It will be one of the most ultra-modern high-tech office towers around. Sleek, elegant, enery-efficient, shiny and beautiful!!!

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Old April 11th, 2008, 08:06 PM   #4275
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It will be the greatest office tower ever, not just because it's the tallest one, but because it will set new standards for every skyscraper and because of its iconic status and what it soars for. It will be the building everyone in the world will want to see when close to lower Manhattan.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 08:58 PM   #4276
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That's so right!!
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Old April 11th, 2008, 09:24 PM   #4277
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I guess the below grade construction won't be as flashy as it was with the old WTC with nothing but a maze of steel beams, but at least the below grade work for this tower will be completed before the year is over and at least the first below grade floor is there now.

This tower has grown a lot in the past month. The ignorant may see it as being unbuilt or without progress, but the steel columns are now only half as tall as they used to be because the entire tower itself just fully jumped up an entire floor. Because of the angle of the camera, and because it's all below grade and in a corner, it's hard to see. People may moan about taking it months to build one floor, but this is the first below grade floor, and unlike any other project, this is the most complex because of many things in the tower's way, such as the tracks and power lines and remains, and other reasons like the unmatched structure of the skyscraper itself. The next floor will clearly take a fraction of the time, with the above grade ones taking even less time.

I also forgot that it's not just the tower that has grown its first floor; the ENTIRE area around the skyscraper is part of the skyscraper and the entire area around it just went up a floor, meaning the "pit" is less deep. In other words, the below grade floorplan of this skyscraper is much bigger than the above grade floorplan; its structure is clearly a part of everything around it for the first floor and all the below grade floors according to the section plan that showed the WFC Connector.

On a side not, it seems like activity on the entire site as a whole has more than doubled, with many new cranes and more heavy machinery. In just lower Manhattan, there's over a dozen skyscrapers over 225 meters going up, with the WTC and Freedom Tower being the apex of all of lower Manhattan.

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Old April 11th, 2008, 09:30 PM   #4278
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Those will be the sub-basement floors.

Of course you know, the first or ground floor starts at street level. I think that it'll have at least 7 sub (below grade) levels like the Twins did.

I can't wait for this to be a 16-acre city-within-a-city again!!
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Old April 11th, 2008, 09:38 PM   #4279
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I'm sure that there will be at least four below grade floors, seven at most maybe at a different part of the site. The core may be reaching three now, but I think there's only four before it starts to reach grade. (Four sublevels this time because they're larger/taller.) So in reality, if you don't count the grade line as where you start to measure height the old WTC was around 1,400 feet tall and the FT over 1,800 feet tall. In old construction pictures of the WTC, the towers were sticking up from 40 to 80 feet below grade without any earth around them.

City within a city is the epitome of what it is. It has EVERYTHING, and I mean everything, save cheap residential space. The positive econimic impact and just plain impact on lower Manhattan and the entire city will be greater than that of even the old WTC and perhaps any other complex. Already, several major fiscal companies are drawn to it all and the area around it is on fire with activity and excitment. It's great to see how something so good can come out of something so bad and how the good can wholly and totally consume the bad.

In around one year, the entire site will be covered in tower cranes with baby skyscrapers sprouting up all over.

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Old April 11th, 2008, 09:51 PM   #4280
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I'm sure that there will be at least four below grade floors, seven at most maybe at a different part of the site. The core may be reaching three now, but I think there's only four before it starts to reach grade. (Four sublevels this time because they're larger/taller.) So in reality, if you don't count the grade line as where you start to measure height the old WTC was around 1,400 feet tall and the FT over 1,800 feet tall. In old construction pictures of the WTC, the towers were sticking up from 40 to 80 feet below grade without any earth around them.

City within a city is the epitome of what it is. It has EVERYTHING, and I mean everything, save cheap residential space. The positive econimic impact and just plain impact on lower Manhattan and the entire city will be greater than that of even the old WTC and perhaps any other complex. Already, several major fiscal companies are drawn to it all and the area around it is on fire with activity and excitment.


Yeah, I think the main reason why THIS tower seems to make people think that it's taking an extremely long time to come to street level is the fact that not only the core is being built from concrete, but also, the steel columns and girders in the infrastructure will also be encased in concrete. Those steel columns that we see standing will all be sealed in concrete, hence the reason for the nail-like protrusions on the beams.

Going back to the old WTC, the main reason that it took off at amazing speed was the fact that hardly any concrete was used except maybe for the foundation and floors. Nor was there any masonary used in the construction of the towers.

The Twins just didn't have that extra measure of protection that might have helped to protect the steel columns in the infrastructure from buckling under the tremendous weight of the rubble once they fell.

And besides, if I remember correctly, concrete does not require fireproofing, since it won't weaken or soften like the steel columns and floor trusses did with the Twins.

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