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Old April 20th, 2008, 05:55 AM   #4401
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That was the hang-up.

Libeskind fought furiously with Childs and Silverstein over the design of the birdcage version of the tower and the position of the spire. They were hardly done with the first fight when Libeskind would start right back up again!! Over and over.

His constant fighting and arguing made it hard for them to try to get along with him and they felt that he was a hinderence, a stumbling block, and so they happily paid him off and sent him packing from Ground Zero.

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Old April 20th, 2008, 06:47 AM   #4402
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**** you. So being pro-freedom and pro-Constitution is radical Marxist? Well, then Marxism is awesome. And I suppose that means being a right-wing capitalist means you hate freedom, human rights, and democracy. That sounds right.
Please explain how anything I was responding to was was pro-freedom, pro-constitution?

Or perhaps not, as we've had too many of these political derails. Let's just talk about the damn building.
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Old April 20th, 2008, 09:50 PM   #4403
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/04202008...lls_107227.htm
P.A. DUMP-BELLS

300 LBS. OF KEY PAPERS TURN UP

By KEVIN FASICK and LUKAS I. ALPERT


WHAT GARBAGE! After The Post reported the discovery of thrown-away WTC blueprints, two scavengers turned in 300 pounds of discarded PA papers, all marked "SECURE DOCUMENT — CONFIDENTIAL".

April 20, 2008 -- Just days after a homeless man found sensitive blueprints of the planned Freedom Tower in a trash can, a much larger trove of confidential World Trade Center documents emerged yesterday - also found in the garbage, but this time right behind the Port Authority office where the rebuilding is being overseen.

A pair of self-described "salvage experts" said they have twice found massive piles of sensitive blueprints, schematics and e-mails detailing several of the buildings at the site, the temporary PATH train station, and a proposed PA Police headquarters in a trash bin behind 115 Broadway.

The building overlooks the trade center site, and is where the PA has rented out an entire floor for engineers who run the redevelopment.

The first of the pair's finds came about a year and a half ago, and the second on March 13.

The two men, who asked that they be identified only as Tony B. and Fox, said they didn't know what to do with the documents but feared they could get into the wrong hands, so they held onto them at their lower Manhattan warehouse.

"We knew what we had. I thought the information was important and potentially dangerous if it fell into the wrong hands, and we weren't going to let that happen," Fox said. "We were protecting the trade center. We were protecting the country."

When asked about the discarded documents, the PA did not explain how the detailed plans ended up in the trash intact.

"This is a $16 billion project that produces literally tons of building plans and documents that are not privileged and confidential," said PA spokesperson Candace McAdams.

"If our security professionals determine a document to be privileged and confidential, we have very strict protocols in place for discarding that document, including, sealing and shredding."

But the documents found by Tony B. and Fox and reviewed by The Post do in fact read, "SECURE DOCUMENT - CONFIDENTIAL FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY," on every page.

Fox said when he and his partner read the story in Friday's Post about a homeless man finding detailed blueprints for the Freedom Tower in a city trash can, they immediately knew who to call.

"As soon as I saw The Post, I said, 'This is the perfect opportunity to get rid of it safely,' " said Tony B. "This is dangerous stuff they're throwing away.

"I worry about the stuff I didn't get. What could be out there? What if it hadn't been us, what if it was terrorists instead?"

In all, the boxes of papers and rolls of blueprints weigh about 300 pounds.

Among the documents were blueprints for building 4 WTC and the temporary PATH station, preliminary plans for the police headquarters, and a detailed construction plan for building 7.

They also found a large box filled with printed e-mails between Thomas J. O'Connor, a chief construction engineer for the PA, and several contractors laying out construction timetables and the materials to be used.
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Old April 21st, 2008, 04:57 AM   #4404
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What the hell is wrong with these guys, throwing away 300 pounds of Blueprints and construction informantion. Good thing somebody found them. Who knows what kind of trouble this could have cause.
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Old April 21st, 2008, 05:14 AM   #4405
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I find it strange they view the blueprints as so valuable and vulnerable. I mean if the building is really structurally sound the blueprints should not grant you any really harmful information. It's not like the place has a hidden "self destruct" button somewhere.
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Old April 21st, 2008, 05:24 AM   #4406
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But with the Blueprints anybody could find and attack the building at it's weakest point. But its like I say, if they wanted to attack the tower why wait for it to be finish. Why not attack it before it's done. But it best no to think about things like that. Lets just hope the PA has better lucky next time.
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Old April 21st, 2008, 11:14 AM   #4407
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Old April 21st, 2008, 11:25 AM   #4408
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My Goodness!! How on earth did those Blueprints and Documents get out of the office??? They just won't walk out would they?
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Old April 21st, 2008, 11:41 AM   #4409
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I find it strange they view the blueprints as so valuable and vulnerable. I mean if the building is really structurally sound the blueprints should not grant you any really harmful information. It's not like the place has a hidden "self destruct" button somewhere.
Sure it does! The button will be wired right to George W. Bush's desk! Right after he changes the constitution so that he gets another term in office!


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But with the Blueprints anybody could find and attack the building at it's weakest point. But its like I say, if they wanted to attack the tower why wait for it to be finish. Why not attack it before it's done. But it best no to think about things like that. Lets just hope the PA has better lucky next time.
Well, I mean any terrorist with half a brain would realize that it'd be far more demoralizing to blow up a building right after it's completed, rather than while it's being built.
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Old April 21st, 2008, 06:45 PM   #4410
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Old April 21st, 2008, 07:26 PM   #4411
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You really are as stupid as I thought you were.
Oh did I say something not to your liking my bad. And I'm only half as stupid as you think kind sir lol.
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Old April 21st, 2008, 07:35 PM   #4412
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Sure it does! The button will be wired right to George W. Bush's desk! Right after he changes the constitution so that he gets another term in office!




Well, I mean any terrorist with half a brain would realize that it'd be far more demoralizing to blow up a building right after it's completed, rather than while it's being built.
Or they would realize it's best to kick them while their down. And you'd never see it coming because nobody attacks unfinish building, that just isn't right. And for those who were shock by what I said, need I remind you there's no such thing as fair play in terrorism. Back to topic
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Old April 21st, 2008, 09:29 PM   #4413
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But with the Blueprints anybody could find and attack the building at it's weakest point. But its like I say, if they wanted to attack the tower why wait for it to be finish. Why not attack it before it's done. But it best no to think about things like that. Lets just hope the PA has better lucky next time.
Umm, because it wouldnt kill anyone, besides some construction workers.

I get the impression that your 13.
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Old April 21st, 2008, 10:00 PM   #4414
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they've to hurry up when they want to finish it in 2012
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The Freedom Tower is going to be awesome!!!
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BTW, this is the shot of Mike Flemming who found the blueprints according to that article.

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Old April 22nd, 2008, 08:50 AM   #4418
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Umm, because it wouldnt kill anyone, besides some construction workers.

I get the impression that your 13.
It's not about killing people it's about turning your world up side down, destorying everything you love. Killing your pride and construction workers are people too. And my age has nothing to do with what I said don't be a ass. And that care free attitude is what lead to the blueprints getting dump in the trush can where anybody could find them.
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Anyone that can deduce some sort of weak point from the blueprints could also deduce it from examining the photos of it's construction, like from Earthcam, or from visiting it and scouting out the structural make up. Making a big deal about the blueprints sounds more like something journalists harp on when they have nothing better to report and the people in charge pretend to care about in a purely Cover Your Ass mode.
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