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Old April 24th, 2013, 11:22 AM   #44681
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The tower looks black here, how much better it would have looked in black.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 11:25 AM   #44682
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I'm going to NYC tomorrow, on Thursday, and I'm excited to see the progress made on this structure since it's been more than 6 months since I was last there. I should be ashamed of myself because I only live 90 miles away - in Philly - and on top of that my favorite uncle lives only a ten minute walk away from WTC: across the street from the Beekman tower in fact!
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Old April 24th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #44683
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What a view he must have!
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Old April 24th, 2013, 01:13 PM   #44684
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I'm going to NYC tomorrow, on Thursday, and I'm excited to see the progress made on this structure since it's been more than 6 months since I was last there. I should be ashamed of myself because I only live 90 miles away - in Philly - and on top of that my favorite uncle lives only a ten minute walk away from WTC: across the street from the Beekman tower in fact!
you deserve 40 lashes! have fun and take some pics for us
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Old April 24th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #44685
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One question to which i have no answer still.
Why did the base get squared off?


Let me repost this awesome pic in large size.
By --aLx--

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Old April 24th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #44686
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Money, they wanted to save a few bucks
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Old April 24th, 2013, 03:59 PM   #44687
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Kanto!
How would they save some bucks from squaring off of the base?
Isn't that just cladding they had to deal with?
And i just realised that the transparent prism had been missed instead of this dull-looking prisms.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 04:58 PM   #44688
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Ever heard of straight angles?
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Old April 24th, 2013, 05:10 PM   #44689
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Ever heard of straight angles?
A straight angle? As in 180 degrees? In that case theres no angle.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #44690
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From WTCProgress,


"Window installers walk along beams at dizzying heights from the 102nd Fl., of One WTC to install curtain wall panels."
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Old April 24th, 2013, 07:22 PM   #44691
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Original pic: tedeytan

Now with more contrast and tint:

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Old April 24th, 2013, 08:43 PM   #44692
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Squaring off of the corners

I expect the squaring of the base had something to do with design loads pertaining to blast.

Cutting the corners as it was shown originally would angle the cladding downwards. The reflected wave would be amplified on the ground and maybe that produced undesirable results.

I digress. There are some interesting journal articles on the subject of incident blast waves, but that's my hunch.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #44693
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It will still probably look like a poppy seed to the naked eye 38 miles away meh
No, itll appear very large in fact. You may jist be dealing with haze. When i saw it from 45 it was absolutely visible

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there are very few places from which you can see the skyline from past 40 miles out. The sky is the only place you want to be if you can see it that late, unless you're an outdoorsman
As I've said before, Six Flags Great Adventure has a view of it from 45 miles with only the Atlantic Highlands in the way
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Old April 24th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #44694
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Money, they wanted to save a few bucks
It was a safety issue with the cladding.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #44695
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Money, they wanted to save a few bucks
The original glass that was to be used could not be manufactured up to quality standards, and the replacement glass didn't fit the tapered corners well. Really had nothing to do with money, more of a quality issue with the original glass.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 11:43 PM   #44696
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It did have something to do with money. AND the original cladding being dumped due to safety issues.

If someone asked you to make 300 identical pepperoni pizzas, you could negotiate a deal on the bulk ingredients. Now change that to 200 pepperoni, and 100 special pizzas. No discount on the olives, mushrooms, bacon, green peppers, etc. AND the extra labor to make them properly.

Same with a cladding supplier. All panels the same? Easy. All special compound angles on the corners? They would have to spend time doing the calculations and building special jigs and fixtures for this one job only. Money.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #44697
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If someone asked you to make 300 identical pepperoni pizzas, you could negotiate a deal on the bulk ingredients. Now change that to 200 pepperoni, and 100 special pizzas. No discount on the mushrooms, bacon, green peppers, etc. AND the extra labor to make them properly.



Mmmmm, pizza!!
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Old April 25th, 2013, 12:05 AM   #44698
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Old April 25th, 2013, 01:19 AM   #44699
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No, itll appear very large in fact. You may jist be dealing with haze. When i saw it from 45 it was absolutely visible



As I've said before, Six Flags Great Adventure has a view of it from 45 miles with only the Atlantic Highlands in the way
I wish I could take you with me so you can show me how big it should appear haha...I've never been good with those equations that show how big a 1,776 ft object should appear 38 miles away about 100-170 ft elevated to the naked eye. When I drive over the bridge I really haven't seen anything that would make me say "ok THERE it is...that's no doubt the WTC". I see a few very distant objects I thought I saw the WTC but it was literally like half an inch tall and about as half as thin as a pencil. I doubt that was it, because it's pretty thick and the shape should make it obvious it's the WTC. I wish someone would show me on google earth (not adept at it) how exactly the WTC looks right now from the robert moses bridge 38 miles away elevated 100-170 ft to the naked eye. It's really frustrating me...I've been trying for so long to no avail.
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Old April 25th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #44700
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Speaking of the omission of the base chamfers...

I'd say that THAT is the big tragedy about last year's design changes. The mast doesn't really matter to me because it's so high up and no one will actually be seeing it (plus I, personally, always thought the radome looked a bit too fat...). The base, on the other hand, is the first part of the building with which visitors actually interact. You'd think that making it look inviting and aesthetic would have been important, but the now it looks so unappealing; the base itself is so blocky and the cladding so segmented-looking, with color and texture that don't match the rest of the building at all.

Of course, I'm not going to be sore about it, but, hey, that's just my two cents.
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