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Old April 25th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #44741
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Originally Posted by bigreach
Is it even going to be 1776 ft any more, I've heard 1783, 1789, even as high as 1803

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It all depends on what elevation point you use. The south side of the tower is slightly lower than the north side. SOM used the middle of the tower. I think 1783 would be the most accurate height. The others are heights are to the very tip of the lightning rod/antenna. But those figures are not used in CTBUH official heights.

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Old April 25th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #44742
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Old April 26th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #44743
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Is it even going to be 1776 ft any more, I've heard 1783, 1789, even as high as 1803



It all depends on what elevation point you use. The south side of the tower is slightly lower than the north side. SOM used the middle of the tower. I think 1783 would be the most accurate height. The others are heights are to the very tip of the lightning rod/antenna. But those figures are not used in CTBUH official heights.
From what i have read 1wtc pinnacle height is going to be 1,795.4 feet

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Old April 26th, 2013, 12:20 AM   #44744
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Re. the height. Most lay people including my self, a skyscraper aficionado for 40 years, would agree that the height of as building does not include a spire / antenna. There are 'additions' that do get more ambiguous, however the delineation of this building at the roof level is clear. This building, which I most admit is rather impressive, is 1359ft. [417m] tall and 1,776ft (541m] to spire / antenna.

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Old April 26th, 2013, 12:22 AM   #44745
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Many years ago, the Conan O'Brien Show visited Chicago for a week and had a gag character called "The Sears Tower Dressed in Sears Clothing". Going with that theme, WTC 1 would be dressed in green plaid shorts with a blue striped shirt, wearing a refinery cracking tower as a hat. It's a little bit sad that this supposed new national icon has been value engineered down to such a disgraceful level.

And it doesn't end there unfortunately. WTC 4 is the most boring near-supertall ever constructed. WTC 3 has already been stripped of much of its ornamental cross bracing. I shudder to think what they're going to do to WTC 2 when it's completed in a decade or two. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up with a flat roof.

Where did the planners elect to spend the money? On a two billion dollar doondoggle of a "memorial" - two black pits that they will now have to charge visitors to see because it's far too expensive to maintain. No expense spared there. Instead, an ugly cracking tower on the roof of WTC 1 for lack of a few million dollars.

Looking past the excitement of finally seeing this thing completed after the most glacial construction pace since North Korea's Hotel of Doom, I have little doubt it will eventually be viewed with the same level of appreciation the original Twin Towers were given before 9/11. That is, not very much.

NYC had a chance (some would even claim a national obligation) to do something spectacular at the WTC site. Sorry, I can only describe my feelings watching this 12-year ordeal limp to a close as not one of pride or satisfaction, but rather one of mild embarrassment.

But I guess this is the "new normal" for America today. Want innovation and forward thinking? Go to China. Here, we throw our borrowed money into black holes.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 12:34 AM   #44746
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@DFDalton, you're posts never cease to amuse me. So filled with cynicism and negativity. Well too each his/her own. Design is always subjective.

I've seen these towers in person. 1WTC isn't the greatest. But it's pretty damn good no matter what Durst and the PA have done to it. As for 4WTC, I love it's minimalist styling. I think it's one of NYC/USA's best.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 12:40 AM   #44747
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Lol why not, and if you're driving and trying to look for a tower from 40 miles away, it's pretty difficult. Maybe you can't even see it and it's just a rumor (from the bridge). Ill tell you what, go to the Fire Island lighthouse and see the view from there, you can 100% see it from there because I've seen pics. Get an idea of what it looks like from that far so you know what to expect from the view
40 miles should be easy because I can see it clearly from 30 miles away. According to a documentary on the ESB, you can see it with the naked eye from Massachusetts.
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The least they could have done was make it a double antenna. I think something like this would have been more attractive.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 12:50 AM   #44749
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And it doesn't end there unfortunately. WTC 4 is the most boring near-supertall ever constructed. WTC 3 has already been stripped of much of its ornamental cross bracing. I shudder to think what they're going to do to WTC 2 when it's completed in a decade or two. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up with a flat roof.
Have you even seen these buildings in person.....? 4 WTC is beautiful, and simple...you have to actually see it up close, and personal to know the feeling of the whole architecture. And stop being so negative about the other two. This post makes me...


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40 miles should be easy because I can see it clearly from 30 miles away. According to a documentary on the ESB, you can see it with the naked eye from Massachusetts.
Yeah 30 miles is fairly easy, and I hope that second part is a joke lol
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:13 AM   #44752
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Right now it is 508 meters or 1666 feet
thanks mate
same height as taipai 101


hey what segments have to go up still? 16/17?
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:16 AM   #44753
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:18 AM   #44754
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Many years ago, the Conan O'Brien Show visited Chicago for a week and had a gag character called "The Sears Tower Dressed in Sears Clothing". Going with that theme, WTC 1 would be dressed in green plaid shorts with a blue striped shirt, wearing a refinery cracking tower as a hat. It's a little bit sad that this supposed new national icon has been value engineered down to such a disgraceful level.

And it doesn't end there unfortunately. WTC 4 is the most boring near-supertall ever constructed. WTC 3 has already been stripped of much of its ornamental cross bracing. I shudder to think what they're going to do to WTC 2 when it's completed in a decade or two. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up with a flat roof.

Where did the planners elect to spend the money? On a two billion dollar doondoggle of a "memorial" - two black pits that they will now have to charge visitors to see because it's far too expensive to maintain. No expense spared there. Instead, an ugly cracking tower on the roof of WTC 1 for lack of a few million dollars.

Looking past the excitement of finally seeing this thing completed after the most glacial construction pace since North Korea's Hotel of Doom, I have little doubt it will eventually be viewed with the same level of appreciation the original Twin Towers were given before 9/11. That is, not very much.

NYC had a chance (some would even claim a national obligation) to do something spectacular at the WTC site. Sorry, I can only describe my feelings watching this 12-year ordeal limp to a close as not one of pride or satisfaction, but rather one of mild embarrassment.

But I guess this is the "new normal" for America today. Want innovation and forward thinking? Go to China. Here, we throw our borrowed money into black holes.
I do really understand what you are talking about. For quite a long time I was thinking the same. But then I learned to like the new complex. Yes, it isn't what we've all been hoping for, but it still is good. It are still beautiful modern buildings that are the safest on the planet. In my opinion the time of reflecting upon all that could have been is over, we now have solid buildings and we should learn to live with them. I personally learned to love these buildings. I no longer think about all that could have been, instead I am happy when I see the progress of these buildings. I'm happy when I see the cladding has moved up and I'm happy when I see another antenna piece being installed. These buildings are history and I feel honored that I can watch them comming up here with you folks. Trust me, you'll learn to like those buildings, just as I did

Btw, slsc, wepre now at piece 14, pieces 15, 16 and 17 remain to be installed
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:18 AM   #44755
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40 miles should be easy because I can see it clearly from 30 miles away. According to a documentary on the ESB, you can see it with the naked eye from Massachusetts.
It's technically 38 miles on a straight line (hey every less mile is 1 mile closer), and it's easy to see with the right elevation on a clear day, but not from the bridge. And as for the 2nd claim, no way Jose. I'm lucky to see the top quarter of the ESB 40 miles away.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #44756
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hey what segments have to go up still? 16/17?
As far as I know it's 15, 16 and 17, being both of the later already assembled together.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:36 AM   #44757
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Many years ago, the Conan O'Brien Show visited Chicago for a week and had a gag character called "The Sears Tower Dressed in Sears Clothing". Going with that theme, WTC 1 would be dressed in green plaid shorts with a blue striped shirt, wearing a refinery cracking tower as a hat. It's a little bit sad that this supposed new national icon has been value engineered down to such a disgraceful level.

And it doesn't end there unfortunately. WTC 4 is the most boring near-supertall ever constructed. WTC 3 has already been stripped of much of its ornamental cross bracing. I shudder to think what they're going to do to WTC 2 when it's completed in a decade or two. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up with a flat roof.

Where did the planners elect to spend the money? On a two billion dollar doondoggle of a "memorial" - two black pits that they will now have to charge visitors to see because it's far too expensive to maintain. No expense spared there. Instead, an ugly cracking tower on the roof of WTC 1 for lack of a few million dollars.

Looking past the excitement of finally seeing this thing completed after the most glacial construction pace since North Korea's Hotel of Doom, I have little doubt it will eventually be viewed with the same level of appreciation the original Twin Towers were given before 9/11. That is, not very much.

NYC had a chance (some would even claim a national obligation) to do something spectacular at the WTC site. Sorry, I can only describe my feelings watching this 12-year ordeal limp to a close as not one of pride or satisfaction, but rather one of mild embarrassment.

But I guess this is the "new normal" for America today. Want innovation and forward thinking? Go to China. Here, we throw our borrowed money into black holes.
You're under the false impression that simplicity can't be appreciated. While it is a bad sad that some features are being taken out of the original design, the designs themselves are still majestic.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:42 AM   #44758
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On the final antenna height,yankee fan for life got it right. An article was posted by desertpunk a month ago about the beacon controversy, and a height of 1,795'4" is the pinnacle. This is the pinnacle height.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:44 AM   #44759
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That might happen, but other then that one early render posted about a year ago, i still have not seen an official render to suggest that will happen.

http://www.anotherpartofme.com/1-wor...a-in-redesign/
Cool! thanks for the link, I guess only time will tell, as we watch the building get topped off!
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Old April 26th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #44760
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With the photo above, I was able to photoshop it a few months ahead :p

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