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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #45681
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Delays! Delays! Again?

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And don't get me started on 3WTC and 2WTC.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:23 PM   #45682
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# I don't think they will wait weeks or till July 4th to top out the spire. What was the point of jumping and guying the crane already if they are going to wait so long?

If only for the glass....
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Old May 8th, 2013, 03:55 PM   #45683
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Most photoshopped pictures and renderings of the completed WTC1 show all 3 communications rings fully and perfectly festooned with parabolic antennae. Is there a plan to put all of these in place on spec, install dummy antennae to clean up the appearance of the top of the building, or just add equipment over the years as needed with no regard for aesthetics?

Just curious...
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Old May 8th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #45684
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Crewman 1: "Mr. Edwards, Steve is touching me again!"
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Foreman: "Hey! You two knock it off right now or I'm turning this building around! Got it! We've had enough delays already."



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Old May 8th, 2013, 07:11 PM   #45685
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Old May 8th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #45686
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Old May 8th, 2013, 07:39 PM   #45687
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I checked the local radar and there is a line of storms pushing through then cloudy but no rain for awhile any spire action today?
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Old May 8th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #45688
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It actually is quite a graceful design, so I'm pleased with the results thus far. Still amazed they could top it with something so blunt and unrealted, but I've learned to deal with it.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #45689
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New York’s World Trade Center Has a New Spire, But No Broadcasters On Top
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When the gleaming spire was placed atop One World Trade Center (1WTC) building last week, it was the captivating culmination of years of hard work to rebuild the skyscraper (and the nation’s psyche) after the terrible events of September 11, 2001. Symbolically, the 1WTC building—erected on the site where the Twin Towers used to stand—now measures 1776 feet tall and stands as the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere.

The only thing it’s missing is a broadcast antenna and television (and radio) transmission equipment, as agreements to move the region’s local broadcasters from their nearby Empire State Building and 4 Times Square locations have not been reached. Broadcasters we contacted declined to comment publicly on the on-going negotiations, but there is interest once current leases with Empire State and 4 Times Square, some set to expire in 2015, run out.

Installation of the 800-ton, 408-foot spire actually began in December, after 18 pieces were shipped by barge from Canada and New Jersey. The impressive building, replacing the former broadcast home of most of the local broadcasters (except for WCBS-TV) is scheduled to open for business in 2014. Since 9/11, stations have moved to Empire State as well as 4 Times Square, in the heart of the city. An agreement to move local stations’ equipment may be a bit farther off, as current lease deals and reluctance among some stations to move, will delay any activity in this regard.

The new tower's LED lit spire was fabricated in a joint venture between the ADF Group Inc., an engineering firm in Terrebonne, Quebec, and the New York-based DCM Erectors Inc., a steel contractor. Most of the spire was actually assembled in South Plainfield, New Jersey, at a sister company called MRP LLC.

John Lyons, assistant vice president and director of broadcast communications for The Durst Organization, the real estate company that manages and leases space at One World Trade, said weather conditions have delayed the final stages, as the spire is being lifted into place by a massive crane. The spires is literally sitting on the roof top right now, but will be completely secured within a matter of days.

“We are in active conversations with several of the broadcasters right now,” Lyons said. “The major holdup right now is the looming repacking of channels [which will occur once the broadcast spectrum auctions are completed in June of 2014]. Basically, we’re all waiting to see what happens with the auction. For us, it’s holding up which antenna we choose what I buy and other equipment, because right now we don’t know what frequency they will be operating at.”

Lyons said his assumption, and that of most people, is that there will not be a lot of relocation of New York area stations and that they will maintain their current channel assignments.

“While we wait, we are having discussions with stations and finding out what they're requirements are,” Lyons said.

At this point there has been no construction on transmission rooms or other accommodations at the top of one World Trade Center, but Lyons said there would be. Space has been allocated and several 2-megawatt backup generators have already been installed.

”Everything they need for a fully functioning broadcast facility will be supplied once agreements are reached,” Lyons said.

There’s much to be lost for the Empire State and its management company W&H Properties should stations move to 1WTC. Management has reported in public documents that lease payments from 16 TV station and 19 radio stations now operating there generated revenue of $16.1 million in 2010 and $11.8 million in the first three quarters of 2011. According to an IPO prospectus, the average remaining years of the broadcast leases was 7.5 years. Some end as soon as 2015.

However, one concern for broadcasters that are considering a move is the building’s height. Since 1WTC is now higher than the Empire State Building (at 1,454 feet), stations are cautious about not losing local DMA viewers by “overshooting” them. Extensive field-testing needs to be done, as the 1176 feet height of 1WTC could reduce the effective radiating power of the UHF antenna. In addition, the FCC has a rule that power levels must be lowered as you go higher up in elevation so as not to interfere with airline communications. But none of this can be tested without an antenna on top of 1WTC.

“Understandably stations are concerned that what we put up there will retain the audience they currently have in the near-field urban market of New York City,” Lyons said. “And we don't want to be building something that does not meet the broadcasters’ requirements. So, we’re listening to the stations and looking to come up the best facility we can.”

Lastly, the issue of installing an antenna after the spire has been put in place could be an expensive proposition for The Durst Organization. Richard Gilbert, safety and operations manager, DCM Erectors (which built the spire), said the original design called for a type of metal skin to be included in order to protect the transmission equipment. The plan was to fabricate and pre-install the skin and related transmission equipment on the ground, before hoisting the antenna in place. Retrofitting that skin is now going to be tricky and much more expensive than it would have been otherwise.

“The spire was designed to support a broadcast antenna, but when the Durst Organization could not get a tenant, it was decided to put the spire up without an antenna,” Gilbert said. “All of the [fiber and electrical] connections are there, but there’s no antenna at this point. I’ll tell you, it’s going to be a lot more expensive to install that antenna at a later date.”
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Old May 8th, 2013, 07:55 PM   #45690
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Old May 8th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #45691
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anyone know if it's (still) technically possible to cover the antenna with some kind of protective radome in the future ?? or the change in the original design makes this impossible?
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Old May 8th, 2013, 08:00 PM   #45693
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It's physically possible, but it won't happen. Just let it go.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #45694
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why do people take angled pictures like were birds..its not gonna change the picture.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #45695
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anybody know if it's (still) technically possible to cover the antenna with some kind of protective radome in the future ?? or the change in the original design makes this impossible?
As far as I know, the design has not changed as such, they simply decided not to add the radome, the spire as you see it, was designed and made to be wrapped with the radome, that is why it looks that way.
So, theorically, I think it could receive the radome.


In this picture, taken from alex14469 in SSP, you can see the tower almost as finished, since it shows the three faces that are practically completelly cladded already.

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Old May 8th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #45696
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why do people take angled pictures like were birds..its not gonna change the picture.
So you don't know what photography is!!!???
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Old May 8th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #45697
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anyone know if it's (still) technically possible to cover the antenna with some kind of protective radome in the future ?? or the change in the original design makes this impossible?
I am pretty sure all those platforms were meant to be attachment points for the radome panels. They are sized to follow the contours of the spire as originally planned. Whether or not all the appropriate attachment hardware was welded onto them is another question. My guess is that since the decision to scrap the radome was made so late, the Canadian company that fabricated the mast was simply building it per the original drawings.

There's a suspension bridge in NYC (forgot which one) whose towers were originally supposed to be covered with a granite skin, but were simply left bare as a cost consideration in a similar manner to this "spire".
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Old May 8th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #45698
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why do people take angled pictures like were birds..its not gonna change the picture.
Maybe we are birds.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #45699
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why do people take angled pictures like were birds..its not gonna change the picture.
You just proved you don't understand the art of photography
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Old May 8th, 2013, 09:09 PM   #45700
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where the tapering effect is most obvious it makes the communications ring look oversized.
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