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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #46061
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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #46062
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Suppose you're making the decision for the CTBUH regarding the official height of WTC1. How would you rule?
Here's what I would say:
The structure atop WTC1 was originally designed with a dual purpose. First, it was to act as a functional mast to hold telecommunications equipment. A structure which posesses this sole function is not recognized in our official rankings of Height to Architectural Top.



Can you point me in the direction of where it says the spire of 1WTC was to be used to hold telecommunications equipment? And if what you say is true, then what is the purpose of the "communication rings"? Originally and now?
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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:30 PM   #46063
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Can you point me in the direction of where it says the spire of 1WTC was to be used to hold telecommunications equipment? And if what you say is true, then what is the purpose of the "communication rings"? Originally and now?
Both are designed to hold communications equipment. the rings holding the larger devices like dishes.
These cut outs around the exterior are where equipment can be mounted.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #46064
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What a beauty of a building. Magnificent. I don't care much for the spire, but it was a great day to see it finally go up.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 09:56 PM   #46065
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These cut outs around the exterior are where equipment can be mounted.

So how would that have worked if they kept the spire cladding?
What I was asking is, where in any plans of 1WTC, or the spire, new or old, did it say they were planning to mount telecommunications equipment to the spire? I mean after all, I could show you a picture of a 300ft tall Burrito and point to the top and say "right there, that's where they are going to mount a radio station antenna". I know they could mount pretty much anything they want to the spire at this point, but where was that ever planned or even mentioned by the architect or any other "official" person related to the tower? Past or present?
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:07 PM   #46066
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For the life of me i don't know why they can't put up a open lattice design for the mast and make it resemble BOA building . it would be clean and simple cost efficient, and would end the controversy, somebody should make a render to see how it would look ?
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:19 PM   #46067
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So how would that have worked if they kept the spire cladding?
What I was asking is, where in any plans of 1WTC, or the spire, new or old, did it say they were planning to mount telecommunications equipment to the spire? I mean after all, I could show you a picture of a 300ft tall Burrito and point to the top and say "right there, that's where they are going to mount a radio station antenna". I know they could mount pretty much anything they want to the spire at this point, but where was that ever planned or even mentioned by the architect or any other "official" person related to the tower? Past or present?
The radome (or by definition any radome) was transparent to radio waves. think of those white domes over radars.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #46068
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Correct, radome is short for radar and dome.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #46069
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For the life of me i don't know why they can't put up a open lattice design for the mast and make it resemble BOA building . it would be clean and simple cost efficient, and would end the controversy, somebody should make a render to see how it would look ?
Or they can add a frame around the platforms like the one on Shanghai Tower.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #46070
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Is the beacon being tested? Look at the live cam, you can see white flashes...
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Well that isn't the light for the beacon if that's what you mean. It's a signal for airplanes
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #46072
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Is the beacon being tested? Look at the live cam, you can see white flashes...
Sadly no. That's the white strobe. The Bank of America tower has that white strobe as well.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 10:55 PM   #46073
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But I thought the light for the airplanes was red. This one looks white.
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What I was asking is, where in any plans of 1WTC, or the spire, new or old, did it say they were planning to mount telecommunications equipment to the spire? I mean after all, I could show you a picture of a 300ft tall Burrito and point to the top and say "right there, that's where they are going to mount a radio station antenna". I know they could mount pretty much anything they want to the spire at this point, but where was that ever planned or even mentioned by the architect or any other "official" person related to the tower? Past or present?



You guys are killing me here
I didn't get through 20 years of the Navy without knowing what a "Radome" is. Now that we have that out of the way, lets see who can answer the rest of my post as quoted above.
Lets pretend I'm from the CTBUH. Why should I not consider this a "spire" and count it in the total height of the tower? With facts only please as opinions really don't count
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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #46075
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But I thought the light for the airplanes was red. This one looks white.
the red ones are used during the night, the white ones are during daytime
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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:01 PM   #46076
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Oh! Ok! I didn't know that! Thanks for the explanation!
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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:05 PM   #46077
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Lets pretend I'm from the CTBUH. Why should I not consider this a "spire" and count it in the total height of the tower? With facts only please as opinions really don't count
As easy as it is, the radome was the architectural element that formed the spire.
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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:08 PM   #46078
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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:10 PM   #46079
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conditions are pretty ripe for lightning
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Old May 11th, 2013, 11:16 PM   #46080
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I've been working on the third revision of my spire. It turns out that no two pieces are identical. Even in the splices, the webbing and other reinforcements change from piece to piece. The heights aren't what I thought. I'm only as far as deciding on a width of tubing and overall width for the open tube framed sections. Unfortunately the pictures of the fabrication of the plates were taken down from the ADF Steel Group website. All that aside, I found multiple sources and here are the heights of the pieces.
318: 46'-0"
317: 44'-2" 3/4
316: 33'-8" 15/16
315: 44'-8" 5/16
314: 37'-6"
313: 20-0"
312: 20-0"
311: 20-0"
310: 19'-10"
309: 10'-4"
308: 19'-10"
307: 10-0"
306: 26-0"
305: 24-0"
304: 20-0"
303: 20-0"
302: 21'-6"
301: 17'-7"
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