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Old May 14th, 2013, 03:13 PM   #46281
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Why the performing arts center will be completet so late (2019)??
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Old May 14th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #46282
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I like it. If the twin bricks could grow on us, this one certainly can. It's graceful.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #46283
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Wow it looks almost completed! Can't wait for the rest of the glass to be added
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Old May 14th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #46284
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I like it. If the twin bricks could grow on us, this one certainly can. It's graceful.
This is so much better than the ugly twins. It isn't even close. And when WTC2 and WTC3 are eventually completed, the beauty of the overall plan will be even more apparent.

Remember, although iconic, the Twins were never highly regarded by critics. Nor were they truly "loved" by the general population of NYC until they fell. The architect, Minoru Yamasaki, was pretty much a hack - responsible for such other architectural disasters as the Pruitt-Igoe Homes in St. Louis, whose demolition was made famous in the movie "Koyaanisqatsi".

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Old May 14th, 2013, 04:23 PM   #46285
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Why cant they just come out and tell us when the complex will be done. Its completely bizarre the whole situation a mean what about people who are really wanting to see and visit this complex in their lifetime? Seriously this is pathetic, I understand the whole tenant situation but come on didn't the towers sit empty?
No one can predict the future, not Larry, not the PA, not Durst. The best they can do is release a tentative schedule subject to change (as it has countless times on this and every other project of such magnitude). It's done when it's done. Enjoy the construction porn in the meantime.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 05:33 PM   #46286
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The antenna is ugly as hell. And it's incredibly thin compared to the building. It looks like it doesn't belong together.

It will be a disgrace if they count it as a spire. I like the builidng itself and also the original spire, but not this thing.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #46287
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Why the performing arts center will be completet so late (2019)??
Construction of Performing Arts Center can't begin until the Transit Hub is finished.

According to Otie, Transit Hub is expected to be finished in December 2015.

It would take them atleast a year to dismantle the existing Transit Hub structure and reach bedrock. That would be around 2017.

And another 2 years to construct the Performing Arts Center.

So 2019.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #46288
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I like it
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Old May 14th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #46289
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Just looked at the live cam, is there any reason they seem to be jumping the crane?
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Old May 14th, 2013, 06:24 PM   #46290
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Just looked at the live cam, is there any reason they seem to be jumping the crane?




I think they are actually lowering it.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 06:52 PM   #46291
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I think they are actually lowering it.
After watching it a while, I had a feeling that was what they were doing, would have been a bit odd otherwise!
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Old May 14th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #46292
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I am not going to jump on, but instead just post that it's good that another supertall is finished!
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Old May 14th, 2013, 07:44 PM   #46293
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So gorgeous. New York is a damn fine city!
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Old May 14th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #46294
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It doesn't matter now anyway, but I'm wondering how they would have added the radome to the antenna. Would they have erected the complete antenna first (like it now looks like) and then added the radome or would they have added it directly to each new erected piece? Or a complete different way, like adding the radome directly after the antenna was manufactured?
Would be great if someone has knowledge about that.
Reposting, I'd really appreciate it if someone knows
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Old May 14th, 2013, 08:20 PM   #46295
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I'm pretty sure they would have added those radome pieces when the structural steel pieces of the spire were still standing on ground level next to the base of the tower. I think it would be too difficult to add them that high up in the air with a single crane. I also don't think they would have added them at the factory because then the chance of damage with the transportation would be too big. They also would have needed a seperate frame for the transportation of every different piece, just as they did with the current beacon part of the 'spire'.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 08:32 PM   #46296
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Old May 14th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #46297
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I'm pretty sure they would have added those radome pieces when the structural steel pieces of the spire were still standing on ground level next to the base of the tower. I think it would be too difficult to add them that high up in the air with a single crane. I also don't think they would have added them at the factory because then the chance of damage with the transportation would be too big. They also would have needed a seperate frame for the transportation of every different piece, just as they did with the current beacon part of the 'spire'.
While modeling the spire I noticed something that every one missed until now. every two or so feet there are two-inch by two-inch squares on the back side of the tubes in the sections up to the last 5 and minus the conical transition point. They are in a V orientation with the center line pointing towards the central line of the structure. The angle between the flanges and imaginary center line appears to be about thirty degrees giving the flanges a sixty degree spacing from each other. I'll post a picture with the next big update. The reason this is interesting is because I believe that the hole could allow a long threaded rod to reach out to the exterior of the structure and support the cancelled radome. The fact that they are on the inside means that the panels could have been attached with a single winch outside and a few riggers below holding ropes to keep it from blowing out of control. On the inside someone could fasten the rods into the flange. I'll try to back up this theory with a diagram when I get the chance, probably tomorrow.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 09:49 PM   #46298
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I am not going to jump on, but instead just post that it's good that another supertall is finished!
So, which supertall exactly?
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Old May 14th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #46299
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This one

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Didn't know there were any other webcames left. Good find, LexISguy.

btw I have no idea what the operation times are.
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This is so much better than the ugly twins. It isn't even close. And when WTC2 and WTC3 are eventually completed, the beauty of the overall plan will be even more apparent.

Remember, although iconic, the Twins were never highly regarded by critics. Nor were they truly "loved" by the general population of NYC until they fell. The architect, Minoru Yamasaki, was pretty much a hack - responsible for such other architectural disasters as the Pruitt-Igoe Homes in St. Louis, whose demolition was made famous in the movie "Koyaanisqatsi".

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The Pruitt-Igoe has been regarded as the symbol of the failure of the Modern Movement in architecture. I am not a fan myself of that type of projects, but to be fair, the failure of this and other projects had much more to do with a lot of factors not related with the architecture of the buildings themselves, such as mismanagement from the housing authority and the city, social and racial unrest, neglect from many of its own dwellers, among others, that lead to a spiral of decay. But when the project was new, the first residents considered those apartments a nice and good place to live.
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