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Old May 14th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #46301
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Only the socialist housing blocks aspect of modernism failed, simply because they were socialist housing blocks. They housed criminals and the poor so they got a bad name. But the World Trade Center was far from unsuccessful. Modernism is slowly but surely being seen in a better view as it ages, and the Twin Towers were one of the epitomes of the style. In my opinion, there is far more than the initial appearance to be appluaded about their design, even though the initial appearance was spectacular in itself.

I can't wait for the wires to be installed on the spire.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 11:29 PM   #46302
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In my opinion, there is far more than the initial appearance to be appluaded about their design, even though the initial appearance was spectacular in itself.
This. Well said fellow Bronie
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Old May 15th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #46303
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While modeling the spire I noticed something that every one missed until now. every two or so feet there are two-inch by two-inch squares on the back side of the tubes in the sections up to the last 5 and minus the conical transition point. They are in a V orientation with the center line pointing towards the central line of the structure. The angle between the flanges and imaginary center line appears to be about thirty degrees giving the flanges a sixty degree spacing from each other. I'll post a picture with the next big update. The reason this is interesting is because I believe that the hole could allow a long threaded rod to reach out to the exterior of the structure and support the cancelled radome. The fact that they are on the inside means that the panels could have been attached with a single winch outside and a few riggers below holding ropes to keep it from blowing out of control. On the inside someone could fasten the rods into the flange. I'll try to back up this theory with a diagram when I get the chance, probably tomorrow.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 12:29 AM   #46304
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Old May 15th, 2013, 01:00 AM   #46305
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Only the socialist housing blocks aspect of modernism failed, simply because they were socialist housing blocks. They housed criminals and the poor so they got a bad name. But the World Trade Center was far from unsuccessful. Modernism is slowly but surely being seen in a better view as it ages, and the Twin Towers were one of the epitomes of the style. In my opinion, there is far more than the initial appearance to be appluaded about their design, even though the initial appearance was spectacular in itself.

I can't wait for the wires to be installed on the spire.
It is also good to distinguish between the building architecture itself and the urban structure of the plot on which they're placed. Modernism bundled a few concepts together. The worst of which, in my opinion, was the stifling of street life with monolithic commercial or residential zones. The original twins were the epitome of this, cutting off the street grid and turning the urban fabric at ground level into a dead space. The same was true of that housing complex in St Louis, landscaped but still dead space.

Contrast this with the new WTC. The street grid is reconnected and ground level will be quite inviting, a place where you might want to go and enjoy the day or pass some time reflecting on the world around you. It is designed for people, for living. The old complex was sterile and encouraged people to rush through on their way to someplace better.

This isn't a criticism of modernism per se, but rather some of the urban planning trends that tended to accompany it.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 01:12 AM   #46306
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Old May 15th, 2013, 01:45 AM   #46307
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Ok guys, take a look at this. Either these are for attaching electrical harnesses or the radome. Because there are no other mounting points except for the temporary platforms, Either theory is possible. although the cable theory is more logical, it could be a remnant from the original radome design.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 04:18 AM   #46310
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The twin Towers didn't represent an entire nation and become worldwide known symbols for being ugly buildings, i can tell you that.
They WERE loved and respected, and it's just really hard for some of you to accept that's all.
Maybe because this new building doesn't cut it, and so you have to bring greatness down to it's level?
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Old May 15th, 2013, 04:40 AM   #46311
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The twin Towers didn't represent an entire nation and become worldwide known symbols for being ugly buildings, i can tell you that.
They WERE loved and respected, and it's just really hard for some of you to accept that's all.
Maybe because this new building doesn't cut it, and so you have to bring greatness down to it's level?
Did you just pull this out of thin air? Guess someones not a happy camper
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Old May 15th, 2013, 05:09 AM   #46312
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Taken by me from Sandy Hook, and from the Garden State Parkway just off the Raritan Bridge by that marina
Today I saw 1WTC from Rt 3 from 15 miles away and although some people say the spire is thick enough, if it weren't for the glinting of the beacon, it would have been almost invisible (except for maybe the bottom sections).
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Old May 15th, 2013, 05:26 AM   #46313
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1WTC is now looking very tall if you look from street level, much more than before. I guess it's because of the white borders that tops the building
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Old May 15th, 2013, 05:38 AM   #46314
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The twin Towers didn't represent an entire nation and become worldwide known symbols for being ugly buildings, i can tell you that.
They WERE loved and respected, and it's just really hard for some of you to accept that's all.
Maybe because this new building doesn't cut it, and so you have to bring greatness down to it's level?
You state this as if it was a fact.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:03 AM   #46315
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Did you just pull this out of thin air? Guess someones not a happy camper
You must have not read the last couple of pages.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:10 AM   #46316
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You must have not read the last couple of pages.
No I didn't, and I won't read the next couple of pages if you keep posting. Get a life.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:12 AM   #46317
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:33 AM   #46318
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Why does it seem that his tower has way more steel in it than those in China? The ones in China seem to be more reinforced rebar than skeltal steel. Is this an illusion or is there some truth to this appearence?
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Pshh be my guest.
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