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Old May 19th, 2013, 09:09 PM   #46521
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Yeah let's just drop it. It's confusing and off topic
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Old May 19th, 2013, 10:43 PM   #46522
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No they said Trinity Church..and yeah I know, the building in the foreground is 20 Exchange Place
No, 20 Exchange is more to the east, the pic is taken from 20 Broad St ( almost directly above the Stock Exchange ) and the tower to the right with the people on the roof is the Bank of NY Building. .
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Old May 19th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #46523
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No, 20 Exchange is more to the east, the pic is taken from 20 Broad St ( almost directly above the Stock Exchange ) and the tower to the right with the people on the roof is the Bank of NY Building. Look it up on google.
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Old May 19th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #46524
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Old May 19th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #46525
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Tim's right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_Wall_Street
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Old May 20th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #46526
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So what happened to this spire?
That is what i'd like to know...
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Old May 20th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #46527
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With the the Beacon the height of the building exceeds 1776 ft ?

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Yep, its part of the beacon.
This is just an early model of the frame, but its the rod on top and its actually pretty thick.
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spire tip by PMadFlyer, on Flickr
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Old May 20th, 2013, 12:36 AM   #46528
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the CTBUH doesn't include lightning rods, which gives it the extra height when measuring to the tip
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Old May 20th, 2013, 01:46 AM   #46529
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No, 20 Exchange is more to the east, the pic is taken from 20 Broad St ( almost directly above the Stock Exchange ) and the tower to the right with the people on the roof is the Bank of NY Building. .
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Okay I took a quick glance at the photo and it looks very similar to 20 Exchange Place. It's like some of you go out of your way to prove people wrong and it really isnt necessary and quite annoying!! Off topic so let's drop it

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Old May 20th, 2013, 02:29 AM   #46530
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I think 2 WTC should be built in the 130 LIBERTY STREET to not obstruct the view of 1 WTC and the skyline is completed more.

if this were so 2 WTC stands more in skyline
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Old May 20th, 2013, 03:03 AM   #46531
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Okay I took a quick glance at the photo and it looks very similar to 20 Exchange Place. It's like some of you go out of your way to prove people wrong and it really isnt necessary and quite annoying!! Off topic so let's drop it
You need thicker skin. If you're wrong, don't attack other people who pointed out your error.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 04:23 AM   #46532
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With the the Beacon the height of the building exceeds 1776 ft ?
The very tip of the lightning rod is 1792' above the main entrance given an entrance elevation of 311'-2" above datum.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 05:45 AM   #46533
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It looks like a needle sit atop a glass brick, they need that radome ASAP!
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Old May 20th, 2013, 05:51 AM   #46534
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You need thicker skin. If you're wrong, don't attack other people who pointed out your error.
That wasn't my point, I admited my error and all I said was people don't need to take the time to google and what not just to prove an error. Im not being mean or anything, it just makes the forum a better place than skyscraper page where the moderators will delete all posts that prove them wrong or make them look bad. It's good to have errors on here so people can learn!
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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:31 AM   #46535
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Ever heard of sequencing? Obviously they constructed the steel frame work before the core, whereas other towers they've reversed this order. There isn't a modern tower in the world without a core.

Seriously one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on SSC.
I quoted an image to show that there is no core nor supercolumn. All you do is just assuming that everything is constructed the same time as the core without proving or showing a picture of it. You then proceeded to call me stupid.

I'm surprised how mature and intelligent people are in arguing against me.

1. I pointed out with proof that there's no core or supercolumn with an image showing the best angle possible I could find. However, you did not.

2. You said that every modern tower has a core. Completely wrong, a core is needed mostly to reinforced large and tall structures to add stability. A 10-storey building does not need a core to reinforce against nature forces. If a supertall is built without a core nor supercolumns and uses the same construction method (simple trusses, beams, columns and frames connecting each other) as that of a 10-storey building, that supertall cannot be assumed to be stronger than one built with core and supercolumns (many in this thread assumed that this building is the strongest in the world).

3. Calling others stupid without proving me wrong is a sign of your inability to counter argue against the image I pointed out.

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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:37 AM   #46536
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Shanghai Tower's Steel super columns and core combined are probably larger than this whole tower. This building doesn't even have a core. Most supertalls in China have giant core and super column. Just to give you an idea how strong and massive some buildings are compared to 1WTC.



Please insert foot into mouth,thank you,and have a nice day !
No, I will not insert a foot into my mouth. Do you have anything better to say other than telling others to insert a foot into their mouth? Here's how I would recommend in counter-arguing: talk more about structure, the column, the base,.....but not the foot.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:42 AM   #46537
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[QUOTE=NewYorkSkyline117;103416324]I don't see that brown gothic building in this picture, I think both of you are referring to two entirely different buildings


I don't know what neither of the bldgs are called, I but Damn!! I don't think I've ever seen them before, their definitely old, gothic, pretty damn tall themselves, and incredibly cool looking, I love NY for buildings like this, and when you mix in a cluster of the new bldgs, hey to me you got the best of both worlds.. OT here but Anybody got any up-close shots of a Gargoyle, and are their still some in NY, there's gotta be, just haven't seen 1 in YEARS...
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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:46 AM   #46538
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WTC 1 is the strongest building on the planet.

The Concrete used on Dams in 3,000 psi, WTC 1 is 14,000 psi.

And the concrete core is 6feet thick.
You cannot just call a building is the strongest in the world by stating a pressure value of your assumed concrete used without know what concrete the opposite building uses. Structure stability is the result of reinforce concrete, which means a combination of concrete and steel, plus other factors such as how structural components are interconnected. Stating an assumed concrete alone of one building will not do anything.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:49 AM   #46539
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I quoted an image to show that there is no core nor supercolumn. All you do is just assuming that everything is constructed the same time as the core without proving or showing a picture of it. You then proceeded to call me stupid.

I'm surprised how mature and intelligent people are in arguing against me.

1. I pointed out with proof that there's no core or supercolumn with an image showing the best angle possible I could find. However, you did not.

2. You said that every modern tower has a core. Completely wrong, a core is needed mostly to reinforced large and tall structures to add stability. A 10-storey building does not need a core to reinforce against nature forces. If a supertall is built without a core nor supercolumns and uses the same construction method (simple trusses, beams, columns and frames connecting each other) as that of a 10-storey building, that supertall cannot be assumed to be stronger than one built with core and supercolumns (many in this thread assumed that this building is the strongest in the world).

3. Calling others stupid without proving me wrong is a sign of your inability to counter argue against the image I pointed out.

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Enough of this. Otie has already given you well thought out response, on page 2323. The building, obviously, has a reinforced concrete core. Why anyone would assume it doesn't have one fumbles my mind....

So, yeah, just read otie's comment on page 2323, please.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:49 AM   #46540
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Is there any problem with city authorities when the initial design of a building is changed midway through construction in order to "save money," and this ends up altering the final aesthetic qualities of the completed project?

Basically, is there any recourse through which the citizenry or local government can ask the developer to complete the spire as planned?

I think it is unfortunate that whoever took the decision to strip down the spire did so without the least respect to what this building means to the nation and the world, besides obsiously affecting the quality of the skyline. And yes, even one spire affects the skyline, especially if it is one that looks like a syberian telecommunications mast.
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