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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:52 AM   #46541
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Those people who think 1 WTC is the best on earth, but say ST (or any other skyscrapers) is the best, thanks to jealousy,
that's not the way to settle down in your heart trying to say fake and truly the studpiest things about this angel.
The guy whose name I have forgotten (and I don't think I should flip back over to the pages just to see who he was) and puked over at 1 WTC
because Shanghai Tower is not as good, must go to ST thread and puke at Shanghai Tower itself.
If you say worst thing about 1 WTC which is indeed untrue, that is not going to make Shanghai tower wonderful.
Shanghai tower is not going to be beautiful just because the swollen ***** of a horse wraps up the awkward pole.

God bless One WTC and America. CHEERS!

We're arguing about structural stability here, which is healthy and should be recommended in a supertall forum. Inserting a ***** into the comment won't make a building stronger. It's also immature.

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Old May 20th, 2013, 07:06 AM   #46542
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-TDN-, please try to understand that a building does not necessarily need to have super columns to have a core or super columns in the core. The core on 1WTC was only visible from the very start prior to reaching ground level and just above ground level. While it was under construction the steel went up before the concrete frames went up, they were usually 4 floors behind the steel levels/columns, which is why you could not see a visible concrete core, but do understand that there is indeed a strong reinforced concrete core in this building.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 07:58 AM   #46543
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I quoted an image to show that there is no core nor supercolumn. All you do is just assuming that everything is constructed the same time as the core without proving or showing a picture of it. You then proceeded to call me stupid.

I'm surprised how mature and intelligent people are in arguing against me.

1. I pointed out with proof that there's no core or supercolumn with an image showing the best angle possible I could find. However, you did not.

2. You said that every modern tower has a core. Completely wrong, a core is needed mostly to reinforced large and tall structures to add stability. A 10-storey building does not need a core to reinforce against nature forces. If a supertall is built without a core nor supercolumns and uses the same construction method (simple trusses, beams, columns and frames connecting each other) as that of a 10-storey building, that supertall cannot be assumed to be stronger than one built with core and supercolumns (many in this thread assumed that this building is the strongest in the world).

3. Calling others stupid without proving me wrong is a sign of your inability to counter argue against the image I pointed out.

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Huh, you should run for a political office. that picture was taken before the core had reached those floors. Here are some architectural drawings from the late ZenSteelDude.

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Old May 20th, 2013, 08:03 AM   #46544
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One World Trade Center rising on “super concrete”

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Old May 20th, 2013, 08:22 AM   #46545
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First glass panels on south cable-net wall are now installed. Anyone wondering how they opened the podium panels, there's a cogwheel mechanism below each frame to adjust each fin to a certain angle.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 02:22 PM   #46546
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ok people, this image is from earlier construction. There is no core nor supercolumn. I've checked a ton of pictures like this one. This building is built the same way as a 10-storey building is with small beams and columns connecting each other, which is pretty simple in an engineering point of view. Now, it's your turn to post a picture with core and super columns. Also, go over to Chinese building threads to see what an actual core or a supercolumn looks like!


i hate to dig this up, but i was catching up on the thread and saw this.

i know some other people promptly dealt with this already, but jeez. talk about ill informed.



this is clearly not a supercolumn.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #46547
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Old May 20th, 2013, 02:35 PM   #46548
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Forum a month ago:

Forum now:
Also because you are complaining about people who just correct something you said, of course I don't track google to find any mistakes in someones post. It was just something I knew. Like you said, that's what people learn from.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 02:37 PM   #46549
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I quoted an image to show that there is no core nor supercolumn. All you do is just assuming that everything is constructed the same time as the core without proving or showing a picture of it. You then proceeded to call me stupid.

I'm surprised how mature and intelligent people are in arguing against me.

1. I pointed out with proof that there's no core or supercolumn with an image showing the best angle possible I could find. However, you did not.

2. You said that every modern tower has a core. Completely wrong, a core is needed mostly to reinforced large and tall structures to add stability. A 10-storey building does not need a core to reinforce against nature forces. If a supertall is built without a core nor supercolumns and uses the same construction method (simple trusses, beams, columns and frames connecting each other) as that of a 10-storey building, that supertall cannot be assumed to be stronger than one built with core and supercolumns (many in this thread assumed that this building is the strongest in the world).

3. Calling others stupid without proving me wrong is a sign of your inability to counter argue against the image I pointed out.

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1. Yes we did. The tower's core has been posted too many times since your post, and will be again soon because of this comment.

2. Key word: Tower.

3. Calling people stupid when they can't comprehend the abundant evidence provided is a sign of honesty.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 02:48 PM   #46550
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Also because you are complaining about people who just correct something you said, of course I don't track google to find any mistakes in someones post. It was just something I knew. Like you said, that's what people learn from.
I never got mad at for it, it was they way you were like "NO" haha it's fine though. Sorry buddy didn't mean to cause tension
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Old May 20th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #46551
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Old May 20th, 2013, 07:34 PM   #46552
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Don't know if anyone's noticed, but the cladding will be complete soon (except for the East elevator lift)
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Old May 20th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #46553
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Does anyone happen to know the diameter sizes of the spire sections?
I've been building a scale model of this tower but haven't got measurements for the spire yet!
PMadFlyer i saw your spire rendering (looks really good), could you help?
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Old May 20th, 2013, 07:38 PM   #46554
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I quoted an image to show that there is no core nor supercolumn. All you do is just assuming that everything is constructed the same time as the core without proving or showing a picture of it. You then proceeded to call me stupid.

I'm surprised how mature and intelligent people are in arguing against me.

1. I pointed out with proof that there's no core or supercolumn with an image showing the best angle possible I could find. However, you did not.

2. You said that every modern tower has a core. Completely wrong, a core is needed mostly to reinforced large and tall structures to add stability. A 10-storey building does not need a core to reinforce against nature forces. If a supertall is built without a core nor supercolumns and uses the same construction method (simple trusses, beams, columns and frames connecting each other) as that of a 10-storey building, that supertall cannot be assumed to be stronger than one built with core and supercolumns (many in this thread assumed that this building is the strongest in the world).

3. Calling others stupid without proving me wrong is a sign of your inability to counter argue against the image I pointed out.

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No one feels the need to prove you wrong regarding the core because you are being an ignorant moron by stating that it doesn't have one. We've all watched this thing from start to finish and are well aware of what the core looks like.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #46555
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Does anyone happen to know the diameter sizes of the spire sections?
I've been building a scale model of this tower but haven't got measurements for the spire yet!
PMadFlyer i saw your spire rendering (looks really good), could you help?
I know the lower sections are 23 feet in diameter but I'm not sure about the smaller ones
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Old May 20th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #46556
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I know the lower sections are 23 feet in diameter but I'm not sure about the smaller ones
Using photos and known heights I found the base diameter to be around 17 feet. I didn't believe it myself so I overlaid images of the sections I modeled with pictures of the actual pieces and the smaller diameter matched. The first piece on the base is only 17'-7" tall. If you look at images of it, you'll find it rather square.
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Old May 20th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #46557
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Old May 20th, 2013, 11:26 PM   #46558
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Using photos and known heights I found the base diameter to be around 17 feet. I didn't believe it myself so I overlaid images of the sections I modeled with pictures of the actual pieces and the smaller diameter matched. The first piece on the base is only 17'-7" tall. If you look at images of it, you'll find it rather square.
Otie has the blueprintes and he said they are 23 feet...it may be 17 feet, but six feet is pretty close lol
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Old May 21st, 2013, 12:12 AM   #46559
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Otie has the blueprintes and he said they are 23 feet...it may be 17 feet, but six feet is pretty close lol
The radome was probably 23' wide in the plans. Its big either way.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 01:11 AM   #46560
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Using photos and known heights I found the base diameter to be around 17 feet. I didn't believe it myself so I overlaid images of the sections I modeled with pictures of the actual pieces and the smaller diameter matched. The first piece on the base is only 17'-7" tall. If you look at images of it, you'll find it rather square.
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