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Old July 14th, 2013, 12:47 AM   #48421
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The WTC is not the end of the road for New York, neither heightwise or designwise. Better, taller towers are rising and will continue to rise.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 03:24 AM   #48422
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To say this building is a disgrace is a blatant dis-respect to all the hard working construction workers who bought the WTC site back. Please use better choice of words next time.

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Old July 14th, 2013, 03:59 AM   #48423
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Yes, what they're building is better than building nothing at all, however this site deserves far more. I'm glad that they're rebuilding the office space, however the bad thing is that it seems the PA and Larry care only about office space, nothing more. This site is an icon, known in the entire world, it deserves the best, not just some office buildings lacking any kind of vision. Don't get me wrong, the design of each and every of these buildings is a masterpiece, however the height is medicore at best in the current day and age and the fact that the new complex is actually shorter than the old one is a humiliation in my opinion

I like the new WTC buildings, why else would I be here, however this does not mean that I will close my eyes at the sight of the gigantic ammount of unused, wasted potential, this site had. These are skyscrapers, and skyscrapers with a vision need both design and height. These buildings have design, but sadly they lack visionary height. That's the reason why I view this complex as a beautiful one, but in the end a visionless one.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. From an iconic and business stand point. The four towers have perfect heights. They blend well with the skyline and pay excellent homage to their predecessors. From a business standpoint, think of the amount of office space Larry's gonna need to fill if he builds these towers lets say to be around 2000 feet?

Height isn't everything. I remember the time when they didn't want to build anything at this site because of fear of another 911. We've come a long way.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 05:10 AM   #48424
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People quickly forget the conditions under which this design was made: a poisonous mixture of paranoia, politics, mismanagement, and hysterical mourning. It's easy to consider this as nearly the best that they could do. It's a stolid, glass, abstracted obelisk, and as such it's several things: it's a monumental marker, a tribute to the old towers, and most importantly, a highly potent symbol with subjective meaning. I think it's almost perfectly fitting for this site and the times in which it was built.

Consider the historical context. America always looked to classical Greece and Rome as a model for its values. For example, Washington was seen as an American Cincinnatus (and look at what sort of structure Americans erected to honor him). So the obelisk has become a symbol of our democracy, or at least our seat of government, which 1WTC continues with the 1776' symbolism. Ironically, the Romans originally seized obelisks from Egypt and used them as symbols of imperial conquest and triumph. But even this symbolic meaning applies to 1WTC. The destruction of the original WTC was used to precipitate war and occupation of two countries. 1WTC also marks America's re-assertion of potency through, arguably imperial, conquest. And of course the Egyptians marked areas of sacred burial with obelisks, which 1WTC clearly does as well.

So while some people see a too short, too bland tower, I see the whole sweep of Western civilization, all united in one thoroughly modern form. Quite impressive if you ask me.

The interesting thing about the criticism of 1WTC is that it inevitably follows a certain pattern: complaints about height and design, and comparisons to other skyscrapers. I interpret the complaints about height and design as mainly a concern that the tower doesn't symbolize American potency "enough." And comparisons to other skyscrapers often lead directly to China. So 1WTC may also symbolize fears, or at least premonitions, of America's declining political and economic influence in the world.

We all know which country is securing all those mineral and oil contracts in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But at the end of the day, it's an office building. Be thankful it doesn't look like this:

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Old July 14th, 2013, 06:59 AM   #48425
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Old July 14th, 2013, 07:01 AM   #48426
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Old July 14th, 2013, 08:37 AM   #48427
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But at the end of the day, it's an office building. Be thankful it doesn't look like this:

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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:01 AM   #48428
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When will the last remaining crane be brought down?
sometime in august
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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:02 AM   #48429
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You've got that right![/QUOTE]man! that is ugly!
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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:05 AM   #48430
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But at the end of the day, it's an office building. Be thankful it doesn't look like this:

Too many tapered tops .
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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:24 AM   #48431
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GUYS! Look at the beacon!!! It's probably the best lighting so far!!!


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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:33 AM   #48432
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GUYS! Look at the beacon!!! It's probably the best lighting so far!!!
You do realize that's not real? It's just a photoshop of the light/rays at the bottom left of the picture, which also looks partially unreal. If it was real, it would also be positioned slightly lower then where it is placed on the photoshop, not where the lightning rod is.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 09:49 AM   #48433
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Old July 14th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #48434
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You do realize that's not real? It's just a photoshop of the light/rays at the bottom left of the picture, which also looks partially unreal. If it was real, it would also be positioned slightly lower then where it is placed on the photoshop, not where the lightning rod is.

Damn, I didn't realize that. Thanks for the info, man.

Imagine if it were lit like that in real!!!

Edit : yeah, I just made that the light should be positioned a wee bit lower....
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Old July 14th, 2013, 01:07 PM   #48435
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To say this building is a disgrace is a blatant dis-respect to all the hard working construction workers who bought the WTC site back. Please use better choice of words next time.

To get things back on topic.....

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My question to you is, where is the point where dissapointment of defficiancies outweights appreciation that at least something is being built. In my opinion the height of this building, and especially the heights of the other WTC buildings have crossed this point
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Old July 14th, 2013, 01:35 PM   #48436
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Kanto, I know you don't know me, but can you please just stop the height discussion? Just appreciate that something is being built and end the height discussion, Now! I'm not trying to be rude, but it's reached a certain level of annoyance.

I for one think this building has a marvelous design which suits it's height, and am very sure many would agree with me. Sure it has had it's redesigns here and there, but people learn to accept change

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Old July 14th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #48437
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Too many tapered tops .
What is wrong with tapered tops? I prefer them over the antenna's anytime.
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Old July 14th, 2013, 02:32 PM   #48438
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None, just not that many .
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Old July 14th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #48439
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Could someone tell me if WTC1 antenna is going to be clad as shown in renderings?
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Old July 14th, 2013, 03:13 PM   #48440
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.... however the height is medicore at best in the current day and age and the fact that the new complex is actually shorter than the old one is a humiliation in my opinion

I like the new WTC buildings, why else would I be here, however this does not mean that I will close my eyes at the sight of the gigantic ammount of unused, wasted potential, this site had. These are skyscrapers, and skyscrapers with a vision need both design and height. These buildings have design, but sadly they lack visionary height. That's the reason why I view this complex as a beautiful one, but in the end a visionless one.

I completely agree with you. If we consider that the building was designed a decade back and back then the height was overwhelming meant no excuse. They have completely missed the opportunity because this held the greatest potential. I don't think any time soon, there will be any serious proposal that will come close to the tallest mark.
If height was not everything, I don't think Dubai would be what it is. Dubai is just and just because of its record breaking skyscrapers..
Height don't mean everything but it definitely means more than everything else...
I am disappointed they've not done their best.
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