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Old August 1st, 2013, 08:53 AM   #48941
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Old August 1st, 2013, 11:14 AM   #48942
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Geez the building is AMAZING, but I still can't get over that spire
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Old August 1st, 2013, 12:43 PM   #48943
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Old August 1st, 2013, 02:56 PM   #48944
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Good God the endless harping on about the spire is so frustrating. Its on the building it cant be changed! GET OVER IT!!! :@

Back to topic, when are the guy wires finished and pulled into place and the crane down?
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Old August 1st, 2013, 03:22 PM   #48945
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Seriously. All this white spire talk on a building 100 yards from salt water. I'm a NYr currently living in the SF Bay Area and I can tell you that within 2-4 weeks of painting the Golden Gate Bridge...it already needs to be repainted.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 04:03 PM   #48946
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Good God the endless harping on about the spire is so frustrating. Its on the building it cant be changed! GET OVER IT!!! :@

Back to topic, when are the guy wires finished and pulled into place and the crane down?
Frustrating is also to read always the same questions(just go a few threads back).
You have to understand people who complaint:they wait for twelve years and according to the cost of the tower they legitimately expect the best.
If you don't know......$4billions!!.......Burg Kalifa....$1.5 billion
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Old August 1st, 2013, 06:15 PM   #48947
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Just dug it up that Condé Nast will have floors 20 through 44, which are of course the bottom office floors. So hopefully the huge section of the hoist from floor 45 to the roof will go away soon and that area get cladded shortly afterwards.
If they removed the lower elevators,how would they get stuff to the upper floors?
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Old August 1st, 2013, 06:18 PM   #48948
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Frustrating is also to read always the same questions(just go a few threads back).
You have to understand people who complaint:they wait for twelve years and according to the cost of the tower they legitimately expect the best.
If you don't know......$4billions!!.......Burg Kalifa....$1.5 billion

Ok I can I just say I have viewed this thread as an observer from its conception and would never post unless I thought it would be for just reason. The reason I posted was because the previous poster who had given the timescales had said and I quote that it may be "WAY off". Because of this I was looking for a second opinion as previous posters had questioned when the guy wires will be pulled into place as they are slack. Like I said I have viewed this thread for a long time, reading nearly every page (in fact read every page on the Supertalls World Cup- and as you know that was a long time ago). I have only decided that my knowledge is good enough to warrant posting and taking part actively in this forum.

Secondly the frustration over the spire is shared by both the people who like the new design and the people who don't. The original renders were changed long ago, the time to debate it was then- not now. Its extremely disrespectful to the workers (who have worked damned hard on this building) to continue to quarrel over the past instead of looking toward the future and the great work being done with the EXISTING SPIRE, and this magnificent buildings rightful place in the skyscraper world.

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wrong forum but,by the way,the crane at 3wtc is activeimage hosted on flickr

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Old August 1st, 2013, 06:21 PM   #48950
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Seriously. All this white spire talk on a building 100 yards from salt water. I'm a NYr currently living in the SF Bay Area and I can tell you that within 2-4 weeks of painting the Golden Gate Bridge...it already needs to be repainted.
when winter comes,there will be huge blocks of ice falling from the spire,if one of those hits and kills someone.their families will sue durst for more than the spire radome was worth.An epic failure on your part durst.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 06:22 PM   #48951
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Good God the endless harping on about the spire is so frustrating. Its on the building it cant be changed! GET OVER IT!!! :@

Back to topic, when are the guy wires finished and pulled into place and the crane down?
It's an open message board. About skyscrapers. The whole point is engage in commentary about architecture. Get over it.
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Old August 1st, 2013, 06:28 PM   #48952
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I promise I'm not picking on you, I just saw this one after my last post.
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The original renders were changed long ago, the time to debate it was then- not now.
It was debated. It was contentious then and will remain so. That's part of differing tastes. I appreciate hearing divergent opinions because often thats the only way to learn something new and understand others.

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Its extremely disrespectful to the workers (who have worked damned hard on this building) to continue to quarrel over the past instead of looking toward the future and the great work being done with the EXISTING SPIRE, and this magnificent buildings rightful place in the skyscraper world.
Disagree. The comments have nothing to do with the workers, cause they didn't influence the design. The critique about architecture is more about the decision makers and how they chose the final concepts.

And people debate finished work all the time, from the Burj Khalifa to St. Peter's Basillica. Again, that's how we learn and grow. So long as the commentary isn't personal, of course: Just because I don't like a design doesn't mean I'm affronted by the designer.

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Old August 1st, 2013, 06:31 PM   #48953
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when winter comes,there will be huge blocks of ice falling from the spire,if one of those hits and kills someone.their families will sue durst for more than the spire radome was worth.An epic failure on your part durst.
??? a) Wouldn't that stuff fall onto the roof? b) If it's capable of blowing off well then surely there are other elements on this and other buildings capable of the same problem? NYC has plenty of roof top antennae, satellite dishes, arrays...
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Old August 1st, 2013, 06:41 PM   #48954
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It's an open message board. About skyscrapers. The whole point is engage in commentary about architecture. Get over it.

I agree 100%, I don't think my previous posts reflect what I meant. Yes okay we can talk about the spire- personally I find it an irrelevance now. BUT if you are going to talk about it give an actual COMMENTARY and not just a line saying "I hate that spire or "they should have went with the original design". Nothing is better than lively debate but trying to debate with someone who fails to give a single reason behind why they hate the spire, or how they think it affects the building, skyline etc. is difficult. They are merely shouting out a negative opinion with no room for response and if there is a response it is simply "Why do you hate the spire" to which they say "the original was better". Its like going around in circles.

As you say we are all here to talk about architecture, having a lively, interesting and contrasting debate around it would be nice and add some real depth to the conversation.

Edit re: previous post I meant workers as in those who actively took part in the design (sorry if it sounded to be directed toward those actually building the building, my choice of words was poor!)
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Don't worry, you question about antenna is ok( many people still ask it here). Welcome
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Old August 1st, 2013, 07:10 PM   #48956
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Don't worry about it- I don't take it personally, Like I said I enjoy the debate! It just goes to show how much we can care over a building. Remarkable we can argue over and over the littlest of details while the vast majority of the world look at it and go "Hey that's nice" and don't give a sh*t lol
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Old August 1st, 2013, 07:15 PM   #48957
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Anyone know any great places to see the skyline from the Lower Hudson Valley (Rockland County area)?
I think that would be from Bear Mountain, near the border of Orange-Rockland counties.

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If they removed the lower elevators,how would they get stuff to the upper floors?
Most of the construction materials for the building are in place.

For the remodelation of the offices, there are freight elevators, as in other large office buildings.
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DID THE PORT AUTHORITY made a pact with Evil?

"In August 2010,the PA board authorized incentives to Durst of 75 percent of any savings it realized up to $12 millions,and 50 percent of any savings it realized beyond $12 millions.Subsequent negociations changed the benefit to Durst,with a formula running from 75 percent of savings up to $24 millions,stepping down to 50 percent,25 percent and 15 percent as the savings increased."NY Times,June 12 2012
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Its like going around in circles.
Some would say that's what humans do best, and since the internet is merely a tool for amplifying our traits and flaws...
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Old August 1st, 2013, 07:31 PM   #48960
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Now that we're so close to the finished product does anyone have a comprehensive, but not too large, collection of all the iterations for this structure? Based on my knowledge this building has undergone the most dynamic evolutions in design since conception compared to other skyscrapers.

Edit: And yes, I'll be googling for that myself. Just wondering if any fanboys out here had that at the ready.
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