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Old August 29th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #49781
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9/11 coming up! Looking forward to see the tribute of light reaching into the heavens again, finally with One WTC topped out. What site that will be. I’m just wondering if the tribute thing will continue every year indefinitely.



Here are some articles:

Daniel Libeskind’s World Trade Center Change of Heart
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...de-center.html



New York City: Bigger than Ever, By the Numbers
http://commercialobserver.com/2013/0...y-the-numbers/

Some interesting figures about NYC
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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #49782
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In America?
By the way, don't forget the Abraj Al Bait Towers (601m) in Mecca!
It is not completed yet!

Also I ment world. I was really tired last night and this morning. I poured cereal without realizing I didn't have a bowl early this morning, and also forgot to take my shoes of before going to bed last night Oh how tired was I
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:55 AM   #49783
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hope they rename that freedom Tower in "Little brother" or WTC2...than they can built a higher building...1.600m high...NYC and These buildings around the world are symbols of power... a new way of understanding is the wrong way...sorry...NYC sould be the home of superman, batman & co...if these Heros will see the new buildings in Dubais or China...they will left the USA...that wouldn't be funny...so Mickey mouse must built a new and bigger Tower...why not the kingdom Tower II....
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:55 AM   #49784
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Do you know what's going on with the spire right now and why there are a few cables hanging vertically on it now?
Touch up paint on galvanized sections, one must have some really good balls to be sitting on hanging bosun chairs.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #49785
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THAT's the point. Prepare for the unexpected.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:59 AM   #49786
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hope they rename that freedom Tower in "Little brother" or WTC2...than they can built a higher building...1.600m high...NYC and These buildings around the world are symbols of power... a new way of understanding is the wrong way...sorry...NYC sould be the home of superman, batman & co...if these Heros will see the new buildings in Dubais or China...they will left the USA...that wouldn't be funny...so Mickey mouse must built a new and bigger Tower...why not the kingdom Tower II....
Building height does not determine the appeal of a city.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 02:06 AM   #49787
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Building height does not determine the appeal of a city.
defenitly...you're right...nevertheless the height is still a Symbol -- worldwide -- a Symbol of power...and my opinion is, that nyc and the USA must have the highest building in the world, because it is the home of skyscrapers...but times are changing...China has become more or less geopolitical more important than the USA...
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Old August 30th, 2013, 02:47 AM   #49788
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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:14 AM   #49789
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Sorry to say this but you forgot the one in Mecca
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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:14 AM   #49790
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defenitly...you're right...nevertheless the height is still a Symbol -- worldwide -- a Symbol of power...and my opinion is, that nyc and the USA must have the highest building in the world, because it is the home of skyscrapers...but times are changing...China has become more or less geopolitical more important than the USA...
More like a symbol of arrogance. Or a distorted sense of self.

Look at Dubai. They built the tallest building in the world, and had plans to build whole swaths of supertall city. But how are those plans working out? Their self-created building "boom" ground to a halt. Over-extended, they had to ask Abu Dhabi for billions of dollars in bailout money. And now, only slowly, are their buildings starting to approach full occupancy.

Meanwhile, New York is setting records with its high-end residential sales, with buildings like 56 Leonards and One57 coming close to selling out before they're even built. Which model seems smarter and more sustainable?

China has its own issues, and I'm hardly an expert on their economic model, but we do know that they're building many of these buildings speculatively. It's a big gamble that they expect to pay off. But if they can't get enough people to fill those vacant spec buildings (and my understanding is that the rapid gentrification of the big cities is pricing out the middle and lower class residents who they need to fill them), then they're going to wind up with similarly big, empty towers. This building spree has already kickstarted serious conversations in China about whether the country is doing itself a disservice by spending and spending on these massive developments.

Time will tell what happens there. The point is, considering how fragile the world economy is right now, I feel much better knowing that the US isn't getting suckered into a pissing contest over building heights.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:23 AM   #49791
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defenitly...you're right...nevertheless the height is still a Symbol -- worldwide -- a Symbol of power...and my opinion is, that nyc and the USA must have the highest building in the world, because it is the home of skyscrapers...but times are changing...China has become more or less geopolitical more important than the USA...
the height used to be a symbol, when tall buildings were rare, now building the tallest in the desert makes more sence then a compact dense city.. dont get it.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:43 AM   #49792
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I find this whole debate about trying to build like China hilarious, actually there was an article in the Times just a couple of days ago about this exact subject, if that's the kind of real estate business model you think NYC should follow, you must be dreaming...if anything, they should follow our model based on demand.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/re...C15VevGG1ywCIg

And China more or less geopolitically important than the US?? Getting there sure, not there yet and judging from its recent challenges, even the bullish investors are more cautious about the chinese economy.

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Old August 30th, 2013, 04:15 AM   #49793
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Old August 30th, 2013, 05:12 AM   #49794
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Seems like they took out Performing Arts Center and Five World Trade Center (No, not the long gone JP Morgan, the new one). I hope they are still planned!
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Old August 30th, 2013, 05:18 AM   #49795
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Oh no 5 wtc is gone
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Old August 30th, 2013, 07:21 AM   #49796
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Proposed Tower 5 is a terrain yet to be developed, something will grow up there eventually. PAC development is up to the city board, Port Authority is building the foundations for whatever is built.
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Tower 2 is the one I am most excited and eager about
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Old August 30th, 2013, 08:47 AM   #49798
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When is it scheduled to open to public???
I love it! Nice thread overall...
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Old August 30th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #49799
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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:15 PM   #49800
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More like a symbol of arrogance. Or a distorted sense of self.

Look at Dubai. They built the tallest building in the world, and had plans to build whole swaths of supertall city. But how are those plans working out? Their self-created building "boom" ground to a halt. Over-extended, they had to ask Abu Dhabi for billions of dollars in bailout money. And now, only slowly, are their buildings starting to approach full occupancy.

Meanwhile, New York is setting records with its high-end residential sales, with buildings like 56 Leonards and One57 coming close to selling out before they're even built. Which model seems smarter and more sustainable?

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Time will tell what happens there. The point is, considering how fragile the world economy is right now, I feel much better knowing that the US isn't getting suckered into a pissing contest over building heights.
you're right...Dubai is an artificial town...there is no real natural development...they try to get a big apple in the desert...this plan will never work...in 100 years oil is gone and also the Beauty of These buildings..."in the desert is nothing and no one needs nothing"

China I see a Little bit diffrent...because there is a fast development AND - the most important Thing - there are sooooo many chines...they building super towns...towns of the future...

The USA with ist Young history...will lose the competiton...and I am sad about that...I hope that the USA will come to old strenght and is buliding supertalls that are much higher than These in the arabian world or asia...but they got really bad economic Problems :-( thats sad...

by the way...not all supertalls are beautiful - in my eyes - the highest bulidng in the world - burj Dubais - has not that spectular design like the Shanghai Tower...

At the end, I Think, NYC and Chicago will defenetly building soon higher buildings...and the Skyline in 50 years will be an other like today...the freedom Tower is right now...not really a Symbol of power. PErhaps a Symbol of a new understanding of the USA...perhaps.
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