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Old April 2nd, 2007, 08:28 PM   #481
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you're really a fan of the Freedom Tower?

this is definitely not a tower for the WTC, I also will the Twins back. Nothing other would look great in NY!!! they should build that tower in Shanghai or so, maybe there it would look great but in NY, NO!!
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 08:46 PM   #482
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i must agree that the WTC need a more impressive replacement. they in their day were as much a feat of engineeriing as the current burj dubai. i think anything less than monumental design overhaul, ie think the radical nature of some of the original proposals. rather than this tame and rather boring box with a spire that is far too tall. the fact is, the WTC were something special and the freedom tower, is just another building in my mind. in fact i find its design quite boring.
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 09:53 PM   #483
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HEY , TowersNYC !
TELL ME SOMETHING , WERE THOSE MEMBERS OF THE "SMALL COMMITTEE " BY ANY CHANCE WERE BRITISH , GERMAN , FRENCH , BELGIAN , NORWEGIANS, SPANISH , ITALIANS , FINNISH , AUSTRIANS , ESKIMOES OR PERHAPS TIMBOCTOUANS ?
IF THIS PERHAPS IS THE CASE , THEN IT IS PLAIN INDEED THAT AMERICAN HISTORICAL REPRESENTATION CAN EASILY BE DISTORTED BY PEOPLE OUTSIDE THEIR OWN RACE
WITHOUT MUCH AS A WHIMPER OF PROTEST FROM THESE YANKS.
Whoa... calm down there.
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 10:47 PM   #484
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Most people have NO idea what's really going on. At the WTC site and a small radius around it, over 15 billion dollars of construction is taking place.



-We have this hotel tower u/c at 123 Washington (next to Tower 5):
-You have the GS Tower right by the WFC towers; it's u/c now (750 feet tall, as tall as 7WTC)
-We have the 850+ feet tall Beekman Tower u/c right now (over 75 floors/maybe tallest rez in NY)
-We have the Freedom Tower tower cranes going up now
-The PANYNJ is working on Tower 4's slurry wall (950 feet tall)
-South Ferry Terminal (for the Staten Island Ferry) work is going smoothly
-The PANYNJ is working on Tower 3's slurry wall (1,255 feet tall)
-The site is being cleared for Tower 2 (1,340 feet tall)
-The memorial and 2 billion dollar transit hub are u/c
-We still have yet to see a design for WTC Tower 5 at 130 Liberty Street (most likely over 800 feet tall)
-You have a plethora of medium rez towers going up
-Plus Silverstein is making plans for a 60+ floor tower at 99 Church Street, which is right by 7WTC (over 800')
-The Fulton Street hub is u/c
-All of the streets and utilities in the area are being upgraded
-I'm 100% sure I'm missing another very tall tower or two
-That sexy floating terminal for the WFC will be u/c shortly and there's too many other big projects to list

The amount of work for that small area is utterly insane. Just picture all of the other supertalls for the rest of the city that are being planned now. I don't care what anyone says; NY isn't behind anyone.

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Old April 2nd, 2007, 11:41 PM   #485
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Most people have NO idea what's really going on. At the WTC site and a small radius around it, over 15 billion dollars of construction is taking place.



-We have this hotel tower u/c at 123 Washington (next to Tower 5):
-You have the GS Tower right by the WFC towers; it's u/c now (750 feet tall, as tall as 7WTC)
-We have the 850+ feet tall Beekman Tower u/c right now (over 75 floors/maybe tallest rez in NY)
-We have the Freedom Tower tower cranes going up now
-The PANYNJ is working on Tower 4's slurry wall (950 feet tall)
-South Ferry Terminal work is going smoothly
-The PANYNJ is working on Tower 3's slurry wall (1,255 feet tall)
-The site is being cleared for Tower 2 (1,340 feet tall)
-The memorial and 2 billion dollar transit hub are u/c
-We still have yet to see a design for WTC Tower 5 at 130 Liberty Street (most likely over 800 feet tall)
-You have a plethora of medium rez towers going up
-Plus Silverstein is making plans for a 60+ floor tower at 99 Church Street, which is right by 7WTC (over 800')
-I'm 100% sure I'm missing another very tall tower or two
-That sexy floating terminal for the WFC will be u/c shortly and there's too many other big projects to list

The amount of work for that small area is utterly insane. Just picture all of the other supertalls for the rest of the city that are being planned now. I don't care what anyone says; NY isn't behind anyone.
I totally agree, I prefer the new WTC anyday I think people didnt really like the old WTC because of the design, but because of its dominance, and arogance. Which is what made them such a target.

Ebola,

Have they erected the tower crane yet? And how tall is that tower that you posted thats next to tower 5?
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Old April 2nd, 2007, 11:49 PM   #486
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Thanks. I think the crane on the core is half-erected b/c I see something tall on top of it's base on one of the low-quality cams. There will be 4 tower cranes erected for this skyscraper. I know two will be up soon.


All I am sure of. ^ If the tower crane isn't up yet, it can't be THAT long of a wait until stuff happens. All of the beams for the substructure will all be up after spring.


Edit: I just got a clear view of the area and there is no crane up there yet, but it will be soon and I see another tower crane erected at the GS Tower site!!

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Old April 3rd, 2007, 12:27 AM   #487
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Thanks. I think the crane on the core is half-erected b/c I see something tall on top of it's base on one of the low-quality cams. There will be 4 tower cranes erected for this skyscraper. I know two will be up soon.


All I am sure of. ^ If the tower crane isn't up yet, it can't be THAT long of a wait until stuff happens. All of the beams for the substructure will all be up after spring.


Edit: I just got a clear view of the area and there is no crane up there yet, but it will be soon and I see another tower crane erected at the GS Tower site!!

Dol you think it will be erected by the end of this week? Sorry to keep asking questions, but I am so anxious to see this building rise. This has to be the most anticipated skycraper under construction in the country

By the way, I was looking on Project Rebirths cam, and it looks as though the first leve of the building on the SE side is being poured, but Im not sure
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 12:31 AM   #489
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More progress, fantastic!
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 12:55 AM   #490
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you're really a fan of the Freedom Tower?

this is definitely not a tower for the WTC, I also will the Twins back. Nothing other would look great in NY!!! they should build that tower in Shanghai or so, maybe there it would look great but in NY, NO!!

I feel the same way. When you watch old movies or TV shows based in New York you see the twins on the skyline. It's like knocking down the Empire State Building, Jin Mao Tower, Petronas or the Sears Tower and putting a funky replacement for it.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 04:42 AM   #491
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If you don't like the Freedom Tower, deal with it. I mean really now.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 04:50 AM   #492
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Well, hell, who knows... at the rate they're building this thing... they might change it 50 million more times.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 04:56 AM   #493
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It's too late, can't you see that there's a core growing? NYC IS getting the Freedom Tower! If you don't want it, Deal with it. I'm sick and tired of people whining for the twins to come back! Accept it, they will NOT come back!
Like I said before, They are not coming back, The core is going to rise in the next few weeks and the cranes will be erected! I bet you're going to whine for the twins to come back even after the Freedom tower is topped out!
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 05:46 AM   #494
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is this diagrams about empire state building and chrysler building correct?
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 06:08 AM   #495
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No I don't think so. I don't think ESB has over 102 stories. Chrysler building... It doesn't look right to me... I am not sure what exactly...
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 06:17 AM   #496
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ESB does have 102 floors and the heights are correct. Same goes for the Chrysler Building. Not sure what the Generali Tower is doing in that diagram though.
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Old April 3rd, 2007, 06:17 AM   #497
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What are you talking about? ESB has 102 stories.
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What is that diagram all about anyway? lol
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If ESB is 102 stories... Why I saw so many references including SKYSCRAPERS and architectural books and I went there once. I kept seeing it said 80 stories. Please explain.
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If ESB is 102 stories... Why I saw so many references including SKYSCRAPERS and architectural books and I went there once. I kept seeing it said 80 stories. Please explain.
Here's why:

The building is typically described as being 102 stories tall, although it has only 85 stories of commercial and office space (2,158,000 square feet / 200,465 square meter), with an observation deck on the 86th floor. The remaining 16 stories represent the spire, which supports the antenna on top.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_...lding#Features
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