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Old July 2nd, 2008, 03:32 AM   #5041
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Looks like the author of the article took a little bit of an artistic license with the title.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:00 AM   #5042
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At 1,776ft (541m) it would be the tallest building in the US.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:02 AM   #5043
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To be honest, for the BBC, that's a shockingly poor article.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:03 AM   #5044
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So...umm...kinda got awful news. This project has been seriously delayed...and may even be cancelled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7483590.stm

Ground Zero rebuild plan scrapped


The project's initial $14bn (£7bn) budget has continued to rise


The owner of the World Trade Center has abandoned the timetable for rebuilding work at the site of the 9/11 attacks, saying it was "not realistic".

Port Authority of New York and New Jersey executive director, Christopher Ward, listed over a dozen issues that had slowed work and raised costs.

New dates for the completion of a memorial, skyscrapers and a transit hub are expected to be issued in September.

It is unclear if the centrepiece Freedom Tower, will now be scaled back.

The tower, intended as a replacement for the destroyed Twin Towers, had been scheduled for completion in 2006 and then 2011, but the latest estimate is 2013.

At 1,776ft (541m) it would be the tallest building in the US.

'Emotional dates'

In a report to New York governor David Paterson, Mr Ward said: "The schedule and cost estimates of the rebuilding effort that have been communicated to the public are not realistic."

He said developers and government agencies would set new "clear and achievable timelines" by the end of September.

Mr Ward said the earliest rebuilding estimates in the wake of the 9/11 attacks were not truthful, referring to them as "emotional dates".

The deadlines for the redevelopment work have been moved several times.

The project's initial $14bn (£7bn) budget has continued to rise as commodity prices soar and developers and government agencies wrangle over site plans.

PATHETIC!!!

In the time that it takes for New York to build a couple of supertalls, the rest of the world will built dozens of them. It's a sad day in the once "skyscraper capital of the world".
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:08 AM   #5045
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i lol'd too. Somebody needs to get out and see USA
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:12 AM   #5046
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^Don't worry because that article is simply a load of bull. And so is comment 5050. All of the skyscrapers are still fine, It's the rest of the project that's in question. And this place, after all, is SSC. I've spoken with someone on the project and there is no chance of downsizing no matter how bad things get. To add, how could they redesign a skyscraper that's already a few floors high and going up, not even stopped. Of all of the projects at the WTC, this "delay" has the least impact on the Freedom Tower.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:15 AM   #5047
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You show an inane amount of ignorance and disrespect towards this project. How do you have any idea what the exact methods of construction in those 16-acres will be? Name me another building being built nearly simultaneously with 3 other skyscrapers across the street, using extremely reinforced building methods which force the construction to be tedious. They aren't building this slowly just to aggravate you, trust me. They're making sure this is done right.

It's not a glass curtain that will go up in 6 months. New York is better than that. This project will be finished when it's finished, and it will be done right.

so you believe this is going slow because they are taking their time and making sure its done right? ok good I hope so. I'm still disappointed that its still mostly a big hole in the ground after 7 years of clean up and construction.

maybe my standards are too high. I expect more from new yorkers.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:17 AM   #5048
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Yes I am trying to be funny. And before you open your mouth go look at recent pictures. The northern core has yet to cantilever over the PATH tracks. So no the PATH tracks aren't done.
some are. I took the PATH 5 times to that exit from jersey city last week.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:29 AM   #5049
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How could anyone expect more? It's the largest skyscraper project in the US and biggest office complex in the world? Why is a small delay causing negativity? Because of 130 Lib. problems, because of extreme construction worker/equipment demand elsewhere this city w/ eco problems and rising costs, because of the T2 prep delay, partly caused by the T3 prep delay, because of the size increase/redesign of Towers 3 and 4, because of substructure redesigns, how could we not see this a new schedule coming? Were we blind? Well that's always true for most people here.

Well it's better that, no matter what, we ARE getting four massive supertalls and a plethora of other amazing skyscrapers, even if it takes longer, and better that we don't CURRENTLY have three small, fat towers with a birdcage as the centerpiece (even though the old FT would have been great anywhere else in NYC, just not at the WTC). Keep the redesigns and delays coming. At least the tallest tower is rising.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:35 AM   #5050
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The delays stated in this 'new' report are not new. They were known to anyone who kept up with the construction of the site. The media just happens to find it out, only 3 months late.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 04:55 AM   #5051
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So...umm...kinda got awful news. This project has been seriously delayed...and may even be cancelled.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7483590.stm

Ground Zero rebuild plan scrapped


The project's initial $14bn (£7bn) budget has continued to rise


The owner of the World Trade Center has abandoned the timetable for rebuilding work at the site of the 9/11 attacks, saying it was "not realistic".

Port Authority of New York and New Jersey executive director, Christopher Ward, listed over a dozen issues that had slowed work and raised costs.

New dates for the completion of a memorial, skyscrapers and a transit hub are expected to be issued in September.

It is unclear if the centrepiece Freedom Tower, will now be scaled back.

The tower, intended as a replacement for the destroyed Twin Towers, had been scheduled for completion in 2006 and then 2011, but the latest estimate is 2013.

At 1,776ft (541m) it would be the tallest building in the US.

'Emotional dates'

In a report to New York governor David Paterson, Mr Ward said: "The schedule and cost estimates of the rebuilding effort that have been communicated to the public are not realistic."

He said developers and government agencies would set new "clear and achievable timelines" by the end of September.

Mr Ward said the earliest rebuilding estimates in the wake of the 9/11 attacks were not truthful, referring to them as "emotional dates".

The deadlines for the redevelopment work have been moved several times.

The project's initial $14bn (£7bn) budget has continued to rise as commodity prices soar and developers and government agencies wrangle over site plans.
not surprised, they should just build the freedom tower and make the rest of the area green
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 05:15 AM   #5052
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At 1,776ft (541m)



it would be the



tallest building in the US.

I beg to differ!!!

--courtesy of ChicagoArchitecture.info

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 05:16 AM   #5053
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Are people that retarded? I can't accept it.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 05:34 AM   #5054
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well what should be discussed? the core? the 1.5 completed floors (in 7 years)? the big hole in the ground?
7 years of construction? You're saying construction automatically took off 3 months after 9/11? You're an idiot...
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 05:44 AM   #5055
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Neither can I...


7 years of construction? You're saying construction automatically took off 3 months after 9/11? You're an idiot...
easy on the insults buddy. its been over 7 years since wtc was destroyed. clean up/construction. feel better now?
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:31 AM   #5056
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At 1,776ft (541m) it would be the tallest building in the US.
I'm glad to see that the reporters for the BBC are no more competent than the reporters for AP. AP reporters reported that the proposed American Commerce Center would be america's tallest in its only going to be 1500' tall. It certainly looks like the reporters need to start reading a little more before writing!
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:36 AM   #5057
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^ One thing you must accept about being a skyscraper nut is that, alas, pretty much no one else in the world cares; it's only us, and sometimes even we don't want to care, like now. It's also really hard to make people super passionate about skyscrapers, even if they are close to you. I've tried and failed so many times.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 06:58 AM   #5058
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^ One thing you must accept about being a skyscraper nut is that, alas, pretty much no one else in the world cares; it's only us, and sometimes even we don't want to care, like now. It's also really hard to make people super passionate about skyscrapers, even if they are close to you. I've tried and failed so many times.
I know exactly what you mean. Most of my family and friends just nod politely and stare right through me when I talk about skyscrapers.

As for this project, I really dont mind that it seems to be taking longer than normal. This may be because I'm feeling a little sad that Trump Tower in Chicago is almost T/O. Sure it will be nice to be done, but I find the construction process interesting and exciting.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 08:09 AM   #5059
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Yeah, that's exactly it. At the first time, they always seem to be really into it and may say stuff like "Wow" or ask questions, but that stops quickly; then it's like you're talking to a wall. Sometimes you just don't stop talking because you know the person hates it and it's you're way of getting revenge. It makes you so isolated. It feels like you're the only pro-tower person on the planet sometimes. And you're right about how when certain buildings reach certain stages you just can't help it; you want to express something but it's like you're surrounded by NIMBYs. I doubt anyone around me knows FT is above grade now because it just doesn't get through anymore.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 08:31 AM   #5060
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This is what happens when the government gets involved. This tower will never get built it seems like. I agree with what Ray Nagin said: "five years later and you guys still have a hole in the ground." Well, more like seven now. Oh and I think seven years is a lot more than a "small" delay Ebola. Prove me otherwise.
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