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Old November 10th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #51581
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You guys need to stop flipping out over the height...It's really not a big deal, what matters is how it appears, and I am satisfied with it. Suicide gifs are not funny, and unnecessary, they shouldn't even be on this forum
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Old November 10th, 2013, 02:21 AM   #51582
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So how tall is the building considered to be? (Architectural)
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Old November 10th, 2013, 02:33 AM   #51583
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So how tall is the building considered to be?




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Old November 10th, 2013, 02:42 AM   #51584
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So how tall is the building considered to be?
1368 ft to the roof.
1776 ft to the the spire and the potential overall height.
1792 ft to the pinnacle.

Of course, you can always use your own personal preference to determine how tall a building should be.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 03:16 AM   #51585
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I took this not less than 2 hours ago. Hopefully they start lighting the spire on a permanent basis soon!

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Old November 10th, 2013, 03:19 AM   #51586
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No, there's no 1,776 feet to the spire after the enclosure removal. It's 1,334 feet to the actual roof, 1,374 to the parapet, 1,401 to the communications ring, and 1,795 to the tip of the lightning rod.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 03:30 AM   #51587
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No, there's no 1,776 feet to the spire after the enclosure removal. It's 1,334 feet to the actual roof, 1,374 to the parapet, 1,401 to the communications ring, and 1,795 to the tip of the lightning rod.
Whoops, my mistake.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 03:32 AM   #51588
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No, there's no 1,776 feet to the spire after the enclosure removal. It's 1,334 feet to the actual roof, 1,374 to the parapet, 1,401 to the communications ring, and 1,795 to the tip of the lightning rod.


Really? No 1,776? Somebody needs to tell the rest of the world then. I thought it was measured 1,776 to the top of the beacon housing, but below the lightning rod. That's it, I'm getting my tape measure out
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Old November 10th, 2013, 03:37 AM   #51589
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Lightning rods don't count in height, which might be one reason not to count the whole spire (which is kind of crazy, but possible because it's attached to the beacon and the beacon's attached to the mast). And I thought the pinnacle height was 1,792.7 feet. I could be wrong.

I made a list of "pros" and "cons"- reasons the tower's spire may nor may not be counted in official height. I hope that this tower's spire is counted.

"Pros" (reasons why the spire should be counted):
1. It was meant to be a spire from the start. Daniel Libeskind's vision was to have a 1,776 foot tower to symbolize the year the Declaration of Independence was signed.
2. The spire has "architectual lighting". This is usually done by professionals, who want the building to look pretty and all. I think the primary reason for all this beacon and spire testing is to the CTBUH that this spire is special.
3. The mast is holding antennas, and it's not an antenna itself. In fact, the antennas won't even go through the full length of the spire.

"Cons" (reasons why the spire SHOULDN'T be counted):
1. There is no randome. Nobody intended for this mast to be seen.
2. The spire looks ugly. This not might be a reason, but to some people it counts as a valid reason not to count the mast.
3. The spire has a lightning rod. Since lightning rods aren't counted, why not trim off the whole thing from the official height?

Even these reasons can be controversial, and if you disagree with me, voice your opinions in a nice, civilized matter. And if you can add anything on, you're welcome to offer any other reasons.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 03:54 AM   #51590
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Really? No 1,776? Somebody needs to tell the rest of the world then. I thought it was measured 1,776 to the top of the beacon housing, but below the lightning rod. That's it, I'm getting my tape measure out
There's no distinguishable difference anymore, really. Before there was, but now there's not. If they count the rest of it, it wouldn't make since not to include the lightning rod. People are too obsessed with "1776 4 THE INDEPENDECNE DAY N 'MURICA!!!!1111" that they'll disregard the 19 feet they just cut off the height. Their loss, really.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:04 AM   #51591
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Why exactly are you so upset of his question? It's a very valid one.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:08 AM   #51592
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Spire counted or not. I prefer second option. It seems unfair to me when a building with 200 m rooftop but having a 50m spire ranks above a 240m building without a spire. And in publicity, they have a reason to claim the first building is tallest in town not the latter and in the race for tallest building title, people will make bigger and bigger spiref
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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:21 AM   #51593
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Not sure why, but i always hate that word Is it supposed to be offensive or something, i never understood the point of it. Maybe i didn't get the memo.


I always took it as a jab at hardcore, Dukes of Hazzard flag flying, Hillbilly Rednecks. You know, the ones that hate every other country outside of the U.S. and any form of Immigration. That's usually how they say America in short because their brain doesn't allow them to say the full word
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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:23 AM   #51594
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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:44 AM   #51595
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3. The mast is holding antennas, and it's not an antenna itself. In fact, the antennas won't even go through the full length of the spire.
It is the same case for all the things that we call antennas in buildings, the ones in Sears, ESB, John Hancock, 4 Times Square, none of them are antennas themselves, all of them are actually masts that hold the communication equipment. People call them antennas as an extension, but technically they are all masts.
The difference is that this one is meant to be an spire as well as to hold communication equipment, in the other cases their only purpose is holding the said equipment.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:50 AM   #51596
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Exactly. That's the only thing really going for 1WTC. I personally don't think it should be counted if Sears, JH, and Conde Nast aren't. If they were, then so be it.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 04:53 AM   #51597
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I really don't care, in person it is a great building, looks immense, all that really matters. Whether you count the stick on top or not won't change the building, and it won't change my opinion of the building either.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 05:11 AM   #51598
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Old November 10th, 2013, 05:13 AM   #51599
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I can see the hotel I stayed in from there.
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Old November 10th, 2013, 06:47 AM   #51600
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Wow! The beacon looks like a glistening diamond!
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