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Old November 12th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #51681
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Whats stunning about the tower? A 1300 feet tower masqurading as a 1776 feet tower. If only the planners and builders were a little bit more ambitious, courageous and bold, maybe i would have totally agreed with you.
I agree and disagree. I agree that this is a 1,368 foot tower pretending to be taller and I fully expect CTBUH to concur. I also disagree in that this is a elegant, classy, sober building. Sure, it's not a fantasy building with a mobius roof or a tower that's balanced on a pin or one with cladding made out of platinum in the shape of Bloomberg's head. If that's your idea of novel, then there's lots of cities churning out weird designs. But New York doesn't need weird to grab attention and that's why the simplicity of 1WTC works so well.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #51682
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Yes, this tower could have been built taller, hell it should have been built taller, but it is still a masterpiece and marvel. It's design is breathtaking and it is a marvel of engineering. It is safer than any other building in the world and it offers beautiful modern office space of the highest class. Height matters, yes, but it is only one thing of many. This building is in my opinion among the best ever built and I think that NYC can be proud of it. I think it deserves to be called the main landmark of New York City. It took me a bit before I started to really appreciate this building, but now I love it so much that more than half of my wallpapers are photos of 1WTC
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Old November 12th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #51683
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The thing a lot of people are missing about 1WTC is that it is not meant to be viewed alone. Most of the other beautiful and tall buildings in the world to which 1WTC is being compared, aesthetically and architecturally, were all built in isolation. Designed to stand out on their own merit. But 1WTC was not.

1WTC is part of the World Trade Center. It is in the name. This isn't called something unique for good reason, as that would imply it was special and stood apart from its lower Manhattan brethren. This is One World Trade Center, and it should be judged with 2, 3, 4 and all the rest. Together. When the whole site is finished.

1WTC without 2WTC is like Big Ben without the Houses of Parliament. They are both part of a greater whole, and they mutually reinforce each other's design. The unifying blue glass, the spiralling arc of height and complexity. The surrounding of the memorial and the other smaller facilities. There's a masterplan here, and it is working.

Few major cities can boast such a perfect example of complementary architecture. Perhaps the City of London is the only other CBD in the world with such a clever, unified plan of attack.

So there's no need to defend 1WTC for things it isn't trying to achieve. It doesn't need to be the tallest. It doesn't need to be the most beautiful or the most expensive or the most refined. It is part of a larger whole. If it is shorter than expected, or a cumbersome design or any of the other things I've seen repeated over and over, that's fine. Because the wider picture tells a different story.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 04:25 PM   #51684
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Wait... is it an antenna or a spire??????
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Old November 12th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #51685
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I almost completely agree, with the exception of comparing it to London's CBD. There just isn't a comparison there, NYC even without the WTC development has far more planning (helped of course by its grid) and development than anything London has to offer. Hudson yards is another great example of NYC and forward thinking and planning, its also quite noticeable with ONE57 and 432 Park Avenue etc. that Midtown is being shaped for the future.

But I do completely agree that the building, absolutely stunning as it is, is part of a complex and that should be considered when viewing. After all its how these buildings will compliment each other, and of course its surrounding downtown skyline that will be the deciding factor on whether they have been successful. I think NYC is sitting on the best skyline in the world right now though. A lot of talls and supertalls going up in all the right areas. I just hope it will only further competition, we could end up with a race just like the 30s
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Old November 12th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #51686
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CTBUH Press Conference:
Ruling on Height of One World Trade Center


http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTall...S/Default.aspx

Architectual height to be decided tomorrow- November 12th, 2013 at 10 AM.
Why do you think the CTBUH is a non-biased entity? It’s like letting the pharmaceutical companies be in charge of the FDA. Would you trust the FDA then or any drug approved by the FDA?

CTBUH is a paid for entity of construction, engineering and architectural firms. It is not an independent entity. Its decisions are bought and paid for. You get what you pay for.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #51687
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I'd say the City of London cluster actually required more planning, because it is built on top of a two-thousand year old immovable base. Manhattan has more structure, certainly, but that's only because - by comparison - it's all brand new.

The whole City of London cluster has been designed just like the WTC, to compliment itself as well as the city beneath, with some buildings like Leadenhall actually being moulded to conform to St Paul sightlines. The result is an aesthetically beautiful and economically functional CBD that has risen in one of the oldest and densest cities in the world. It succeeds in a lot of ways lower Manhattan does, managing to marry the future and the past so seamlessly that it makes other CBDs in the world look positively archaic. Look at Pudong or La Défense. They are taller and bigger, but they feel like a haphazard collection of disparate ideas, with no unifying theme or plan. Moscow is becoming the same, as is Dubai. But New york isn't, and that's why it's the best.

The World Trade Center is a shard of ice erupting from the glacier that is lower Manhattan. But unlike the latest wave of Chinese supertalls, it doesn't look like it came out of nowhere. 1WTC in particular looks like an evolution of NYC skyscraper design, combining the boxy shape of old with the perfect, deep blue glass of the future. The best thing you can say about 1WTC is that it would look out of place anywhere except for lower Manhattan, where it was built. The Shanghai Tower could be built in any other city and it would be impressive, but that disconnect between design and place is what limits it, in my opinion, to a second tier of architecture. The skyscrapers in London and particularly New York, especially 1WTC, are on another level.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #51688
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For me this beautiful tower is a extra reason to visit NYC! The real shame is that Tower 2, 3 are missing in the collection because of bad management and economic collapse...
To me the real shame is that WTC 1 isn't up to 1776 feet as claimed. Infact, it would have been better if the builders had abandoned the idea of Tower 2, Tower 3,4 etc and collapsed all into a twin unit or single unit Great Super tall that will leave a long lasting impression on people.
This WTC 1 is okay. its beautiful as a structure and tall. But then its not OK if you want to use it as a replacement structure for the former twin towers. Only those who never really saw the twin towers and lived with it will appreciate the new WTC 1. But for those who saw the twin towers...WTC falls far below the expectation as a full replacement.
Maybe WTC 2 and WTC 3 will make more impact when they are finally constructed. if so, lets fold our arms and watch. Till then.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 05:24 PM   #51689
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So, where's the ruling? It's already 4.30 pm...
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Old November 12th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #51690
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So, where's the ruling? It's already 4.30 pm...
Ruling will take place at 11:00am EST (New York time), so 5:00pm for you.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:01 PM   #51691
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Ruling will take place at 11:00am EST (New York time), so 5:00pm for you.
Ah sorry, I thought the ruling would already take place at 10am in NYC, somehow I managed to mix up NYC with Chicago (which is of course one hour behind)

But now it's time anyway!
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #51692
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #51693
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I luv that tune!

I'm feeling good this about fellas!

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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #51694
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1776

It's official. The CTBUH announced that the spire counts and 1WTC is 1776 ft. tall.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:09 PM   #51695
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...building-in-us

Here we have it folks. 1,776 ft.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #51696
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HIP HIP....HOORAY!!!!!

HIP HIP... HOORAY!!!!
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #51697
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It's offical! 1WTC is the tallest!

Lets FACKING party!

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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:15 PM   #51698
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Well here we have it folks.

http://www.suntimes.com/23688649-418...-building.html
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Old November 12th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #51699
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1776

It's official. The CTBUH announced that the spire counts and 1WTC is 1776 ft. tall.
Time for a DISLIKE button, it's really a mistake to count it to 1776/541.

This creates new standards.

Why even have a distinction between roof height/spire height.

After this decision we can just as well count all buildings, towers and masts to their absolute height.
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