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Old November 12th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #51781
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Now I really want to see a 100m building with 500m thin spire on top of it and CTBUH's explanation. I would kill to see that.
The CTBUH's height criteria addresses just such a scenario:

http://ctbuh.org/TallBuildings/Heigh...S/Default.aspx

Under "Building Usage", the criteria states that:

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A tall “building” can be classed as such (as opposed to a telecommunications/observation tower) and is eligible for the "Tallest” lists if at least 50 percent of its height is occupied by usable floor area.
So, technically, you could build a 100m building with a 99m spire on top of it, but nothing more than that. Otherwise, you would lose your distinction as a 'building' and any chance of earning an official height rank.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #51782
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All this is a mute point because in 10 years the WTC wont even be among the top 10 WTBs.
Moot point ... not mute point.
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Old November 12th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #51783
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If Chicago wants the tallest building in the Country/Hemisphere title back, let em build a new one that's unambiguously taller than 1 WTC ... then await NYC's (Or San Francisco/Los Angeles/Toronto/Houston/etc's) response.

Trying to defend the Sears/Willis Tower's place is sitting too much on old laurels IMHO.
93 story tower just announced in Chicago so who knows?
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Old November 12th, 2013, 11:58 PM   #51784
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What’s great about this being 1776ft?? Someday someone will try to top it. Weather if it’s in Chicago or NYC.

lets all put this in perspective what this means with the news today. It means the ante has been upped and that is a good thing and will benefit us skyscraper junkies in the long run.

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Because one day, Chicago may build a 2,000 footer to unseat WTC and that only means one day NYC will get a 2,010 footer or vice versa to top that. The stakes had been raised.

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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #51785
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Having heard many negative comments about the way the CTBUH measures and ranks buildings, should some other organization take the lead? Here is a possible alternative: http://buildingheights.org/

Who knows what the future holds?
It's not about what council measures the height, it is about how they measure it. The CTBUH's official height is unfair and cheating friendly, but the mass height of this web page is, while better than the official height, still unfair and cheating friendly. I believe roof height is the answer that would eliminate, or at least maximaly dampen height cheating. Next year I plan on studying structural engineering and once I'm a fully fledged engineer I'd like to join the CTBUH, or the organization from the page you linked (that is, if this organization will be still arround). If I succeed at that I will try to officialy propose my roof height measurement system and officialy pursue its promotion and possible implementation
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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:18 AM   #51786
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Next year I plan on studying structural engineering and once I'm a fully fledged engineer
First.. That is awesome and good luck in perusing your career!

2nd.. Be careful, once you complete your engineering, your views as you may know it today may change as you gain more understanding of your craft and realize that you would have sided with the committee members with a unanimous vote at CTBUH on this day. It could happen!! hehehe.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:25 AM   #51787
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LOL, I'll be a roof height crusader 'til my last breath
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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #51788
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What’s great about this being 1776ft?? Someday someone will try to top it. Weather if it’s in Chicago or NYC.

lets all put this in perspective what this means with the news today. It means the ante has been upped and that is a good thing and will benefit us skyscraper junkies in the long run.

Why??

Because one day, Chicago may build a 2,000 footer to unseat WTC and that only means one day NYC will get a 2,010 footer or vice versa to top that. The stakes had been raised.

Here's hoping that by the time someone does build a 2000 footer, America will have adopted the metric system and it will be called a 600 meter... er? Metererer? Ah, I can see the problem now.

Either way, I hope the US doesn't fall into the Chinese/Dubai race-to-the-top. Height isn't everything. I know that's blasphemy on SSC but if you're not careful you end up with something super tall but super ugly.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:44 AM   #51789
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i am sure...there will be megatall 1000m+ in nyc....apple will built this

http://www.flickr.com/photos/donkom/4051191167/
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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #51790
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One World Trade Center is 1,776 feet!

CTBUH Affirms One World Trade Center Height

http://ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTallNews...S/Default.aspx
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Old November 13th, 2013, 12:52 AM   #51791
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It's not about what council measures the height, it is about how they measure it. The CTBUH's official height is unfair and cheating friendly, but the mass height of this web page is, while better than the official height, still unfair and cheating friendly. I believe roof height is the answer that would eliminate, or at least maximaly dampen height cheating. Next year I plan on studying structural engineering and once I'm a fully fledged engineer I'd like to join the CTBUH, or the organization from the page you linked (that is, if this organization will be still arround). If I succeed at that I will try to officialy propose my roof height measurement system and officialy pursue its promotion and possible implementation
I think you will piss a lot of people off if you change the official height of all the 'spired' buildings all over the world. It can never hurt to have lofty goals though

I, for one, am happy about the decision. New tallest for 'Merica!
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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:10 AM   #51792
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I'm actually a little surprised that this ended up to be 1776 feet. I am very happy about the decision, but it could have been many heights: 1,368 feet, 1373 feet, 1792 feet, 1782 feet, even 1,417 feet. (And no these heights are not random.) I think the CTBUH made this decision because of 1). The symbolic height and 2). The spire lighting. Congratulations America on getting a new tallest building!
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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:15 AM   #51793
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What’s great about this being 1776ft?? Someday someone will try to top it. Weather if it’s in Chicago or NYC.
...Because that's the symbolic year of our independence, c'mon And yea it does matter *whether it's in NYC, or Chicago because NYC has a 2,000 foot limit for buildings.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #51794
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2,000 feet? Can I ask why this limit was imposed in 1916, before the Chrysler Building was built? The limit is a little "short", considering the Chicago Spire was even proposed. Eventually, Chicago is going to beat NYC when they have a 2000 footer, or does Chicago have another height limit?

I wonder- if they implanted a secret 700-foot spire on a 1,999 foot building, how big would the fine be? It'd be sad if they demolish the spire.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:31 AM   #51795
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It isn't just NYC as far as I know but the USA.

"A proposed structure or an alteration to an existing structure that exceeds
2,000 feet in height above the ground will be presumed to be a hazard to air
navigation and to result in an inefficient utilization of airspace and the applicant
has the burden of overcoming that presumption. Each notice submitted under
the pertinent provisions of this part 77 proposing a structure in excess of 2,000
feet above ground, or an alteration that will make an existing structure exceed
that height, must contain a detailed showing, directed to meeting this burden.
Only in exceptional cases, where the FAA concludes that a clear and compelling
showing has been made that it would not result in an inefficient utilization of the
airspace and would not result in a hazard to air navigation, will a determination
of no hazard be issued. "

They just have to have it approved apparently.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:43 AM   #51796
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LOL, I'll be a roof height crusader 'til my last breath
Best of luck Kanto.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:46 AM   #51797
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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:57 AM   #51798
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I think we should all enjoy the skyscraper no matter what height it is. Height doesn't really matter, it's how the building looks.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 02:09 AM   #51799
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Reality check. You're exactly right.
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Old November 13th, 2013, 02:25 AM   #51800
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I think we should all enjoy the skyscraper no matter what height it is. Height doesn't really matter, it's how the building looks.
Height is all you have when your design is conservative and ordinary.

It matters how tall 1WTC is because if it was measured to roof height, 1WTC would be - aside from inextricably linked to a national tragedy - an extremely unremarkable piece of architecture.

As I've said before, 1WTC works as part of a complex, part of a suite of complementary buildings. On its own, it's ordinary.

But if it's tall, well that makes it extraordinary. And it is tall. No question. We didn't need a committee to decide on this. 1WTC's spire is unquestionably architectural, and thus an integral part of the design.

It's a weird design, sure. One of those spire versus flat roof deals that always come down to personal taste. But it's a spire. And a symbolic one at 1776 feet. That matters, not just to NYC but to America. To flim-flam around the building's height as though it was a cop-out is to miss the true importance of 1WTC.
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