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Old May 22nd, 2014, 02:41 PM   #54761
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 07:36 PM   #54762
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I don't like 1WTC at all. Every time I see it (even from far away), I get eye cancer. The height is average whereas the design is really ugly (especially the spire). Such an uninspired building is not worthy to be called WTC.
I agree, for the most part. The worst thing about the design, aside from not being very interesting or inspired from the start, is the incongruity. The podium, building, and antennae all look like could be parts of different buildings. And the only part of the three that looks even passable is the center.
As for the height, it is meager, nothing more. When the original twins were built, they were the tallest building's in the world. And even by the time of 9/11, they were still the third tallest.
The new WTC has replaced the twins with one building of the same height, which hardly qualifies as more than a footnote by today's standards. It isn't even fairly the tallest building in the US. The height was botched, the design is uninspiring, and the other towers in the development are on-hold. Pretty pathetic for a development as important as the WTC in a nation that once prided itself on being the greatest on earth.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 07:52 PM   #54763
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I don't like 1WTC at all. Every time I see it (even from far away), I get eye cancer. The height is average whereas the design is really ugly (especially the spire). Such an uninspired building is not worthy to be called WTC.
I hope you don't really get eye cancer every single time you look at buildings you don't like. That would be miserable.
On the up note, you just won the dumbest comment of the month award. Congratulations!
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 08:17 PM   #54764
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I agree, for the most part. The worst thing about the design, aside from not being very interesting or inspired from the start, is the incongruity. The podium, building, and antennae all look like could be parts of different buildings. And the only part of the three that looks even passable is the center.
As for the height, it is meager, nothing more. When the original twins were built, they were the tallest building's in the world. And even by the time of 9/11, they were still the third tallest.
The new WTC has replaced the twins with one building of the same height, which hardly qualifies as more than a footnote by today's standards. It isn't even fairly the tallest building in the US. The height was botched, the design is uninspiring, and the other towers in the development are on-hold. Pretty pathetic for a development as important as the WTC in a nation that once prided itself on being the greatest on earth.

I just can't with people anymore, this doesn't even deserve a response.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 08:51 PM   #54765
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I hope you don't really get eye cancer every single time you look at buildings you don't like. That would be miserable.
On the up note, you just won the dumbest comment of the month award. Congratulations!

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Old May 22nd, 2014, 08:54 PM   #54766
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I agree, for the most part. The worst thing about the design, aside from not being very interesting or inspired from the start, is the incongruity. The podium, building, and antennae all look like could be parts of different buildings. And the only part of the three that looks even passable is the center.
As for the height, it is meager, nothing more. When the original twins were built, they were the tallest building's in the world. And even by the time of 9/11, they were still the third tallest.
The new WTC has replaced the twins with one building of the same height, which hardly qualifies as more than a footnote by today's standards. It isn't even fairly the tallest building in the US. The height was botched, the design is uninspiring, and the other towers in the development are on-hold. Pretty pathetic for a development as important as the WTC in a nation that once prided itself on being the greatest on earth.
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"I don't know much about design, I'm angry this building isn't taller, and if I'm unsatisfied with this project then national pride is dead"
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 09:22 PM   #54767
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This tower looks like a mess with all the random punched-out windows, or whatever the technical terms is for them. It looks about as bad as 1 Bryant Park did when it opened. $4 billion for this??
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 09:29 PM   #54768
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Well they surely are not gonna leave it like that. They still have to do a few minor things on the exterior, including fixing of what you just said (I don't know the correct term either) as well as removing netting from the coms rings, completely dismantling the elevator etc.

I'm also wondering when they're finally going to wash this thing. Just look at the newly filled in curtain wall edges where the elevator used to be, they're shiningly white while the older ones are freaking yellow!
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 09:45 PM   #54769
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I would guess when they've finished the glass.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 09:47 PM   #54770
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there's been way too much cynicism about this building and the developers of the WTC on this website. Everyone can critique before the finishing touches have even been made but not many (including myself) will ever appreciate the difficulty, financial and physical, of building a tower like this, and selling the space within these towers to prospective tenants in a city where there are unarguably several better options.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 10:21 PM   #54771
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there's been way too much cynicism about this building and the developers of the WTC on this website. Everyone can critique before the finishing touches have even been made but not many (including myself) will ever appreciate the difficulty, financial and physical, of building a tower like this, and selling the space within these towers to prospective tenants in a city where there are unarguably several better options.
Agreed. It's easy to be critical when you don't know the whole story. I feel like most folks are unaware of the time and cost involved in cleaning up the site or in the safety measures for the buildings. Construction workers were still finding human remains and artifacts from the twin towers. The human remains had to be removed from the site with appropriate sensitivity / given proper burial and many of the artifacts from the twin towers had to be cataloged and saved. Beyond that the buildings have higher than normal safety and structural requirements to ensure they can stay standing in the event that they are targeted again. All of that costs money, adds materials, changes designs, and takes lots of time.
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 11:20 PM   #54772
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Right on. As another forumer mentioned, the building costs ~$4B. This is insanity. So much money wasted for a mediocre tower. It may be the safest / strongest tower in the world, but that's it. Height- /design - wise, 1WTC is eclipsed by many other skyscrapers. And I'm not talking about China, no. Even in New York, taller and better designed buildings, which cost a fraction of Freedumbb Tower, are on the way.

So if taller buildings are on the way in NYC why are complaining? There is nothing wrong with a 1370/1776 foot building, my favorite skyscraper in Shanghai is "only" 1250' to the roof and 1381' to the pinnacle (Jin Mao Tower).
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Old May 22nd, 2014, 11:20 PM   #54773
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Blue Flame, the only building that is officially on hold is 2 WTC, 3 WTC still has a vote coming up. So saying "all the other towers in the development are on-hold" is completely wrong.
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 12:53 AM   #54774
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They made it that height for a reason; to make the roof height the same as the original North Tower, which I think is pretty symbolic.
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 01:05 AM   #54775
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I'm well aware of New York having a boom (just walking in DB or LIC will open one's eyes), it's just that 1WTC was supposed to be the tallest building for a while (I don't count the antenna). I think it says a lot about our economy when residential towers are going to be taller than an official icon. Sure, all office buildings can't be that tall. But 1WTC, the 'beacon', the 'signature tower' of New York City needed to be much taller than the rest.
Icon's like Bruce Wayne become symbols of something else... they have greater meaning than just being a building. Like how ESB is a symbol of New York.

The height and geometry of this tower are references to the twin towers and a bit of a memorial to the folks who lost their lives on 9/11. Good architecture / iconic architecture does not necessarily require great height or groundbreaking flashy design.
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 01:32 AM   #54776
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I agree, for the most part. The worst thing about the design, aside from not being very interesting or inspired from the start, is the incongruity. The podium, building, and antennae all look like could be parts of different buildings. And the only part of the three that looks even passable is the center.
As for the height, it is meager, nothing more. When the original twins were built, they were the tallest building's in the world. And even by the time of 9/11, they were still the third tallest.
The new WTC has replaced the twins with one building of the same height, which hardly qualifies as more than a footnote by today's standards. It isn't even fairly the tallest building in the US. The height was botched, the design is uninspiring, and the other towers in the development are on-hold. Pretty pathetic for a development as important as the WTC in a nation that once prided itself on being the greatest on earth.


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Right on. As another forumer mentioned, the building costs ~$4B. This is insanity. So much money wasted for a mediocre tower. It may be the safest / strongest tower in the world, but that's it. Height- /design - wise, 1WTC is eclipsed by many other skyscrapers. And I'm not talking about China, no. Even in New York, taller and better designed buildings, which cost a fraction of Freedumbb Tower, are on the way.
?????

This building is simply amazing! Just look at the photo's below, It's looks as if it goes on for infinity extending into the heavens, very symbolic not to mention an unusually high degree of difficulty to construct. I couldn't have expected a better replacement!!



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Old May 23rd, 2014, 02:13 AM   #54777
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...it's just that 1WTC was supposed to be the tallest building for a while (I don't count the antenna).
This is just not true. I don't think those words ever left Silverstein's mouth.
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 02:24 AM   #54778
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So much for the 1,368' "symbolism." It's basically a 33' 4" (steel covered in glass) wall that reaches the original North Tower height. The 105th floor (1,334' 8") is technically the roof. If the PA wasn't running the show I bet things would be different. All the Towers would have been completed by now. The Port could go to hell.
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 04:08 AM   #54780
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